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    When do ya'll think we'll start getting debates? I am both excited and nervous to see biden and trumpy go head to head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    When do ya'll think we'll start getting debates? I am both excited and nervous to see biden and trumpy go head to head.
    I'm still not convinced there will or should be debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    I'm still not convinced there will or should be debates.
    Care to elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    Care to elaborate?
    Trump's mental health has clearly worsened over the last few years but he's still a better speaker than Biden, who has a tendency to embarass himself and damage the campaign (something that Trump seems completely immune to).
    The less Biden is seen in public, the more people will focus exclusively on the consequences of Trump staying in office, which is why Biden's had such a big lead in the polls for so long.

    There's also the very significant possibility that holding a proper debate will be impossible due to COVID, which would work in Biden's favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Trump's mental health has clearly worsened over the last few years but he's still a better speaker than Biden, who has a tendency to embarass himself and damage the campaign (something that Trump seems completely immune to).
    The less Biden is seen in public, the more people will focus exclusively on the consequences of Trump staying in office, which is why Biden's had such a big lead in the polls for so long.

    There's also the very significant possibility that holding a proper debate will be impossible due to COVID, which would work in Biden's favor.
    I agree, hence the nervous part. It'd still be pretty funny though. Two mush brained old men having a verbal slap fight, lol.
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    Steve Bannon indicted for fraud and in federal custody.
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    Biden's transition leader wants his presidency to be Hoover 2.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Steve Bannon indicted for fraud and in federal custody.
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    "I don't know him well. You have to remember that Steve Bannon was with my campaign for a very short time, a really very short time actually..."

    —Donald Trump, 20 minutes from now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    "I don't know him well. You have to remember that Steve Bannon was with my campaign for a very short time, a really very short time actually..."

    —Donald Trump, 20 minutes from now
    I thought that was an official statement, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    "I don't know him well. You have to remember that Steve Bannon was with my campaign for a very short time, a really very short time actually..."

    —Donald Trump, 20 minutes from now
    He already used that several times, they can just re-air the clip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Trump's mental health has clearly worsened over the last few years but he's still a better speaker than Biden,
    No he is not. Trump can't speak as well as Biden and he for sure can't handle Biden in a debate if you pay attention to reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    who has a tendency to embarass himself and damage the campaign (something that Trump seems completely immune to).
    Which is exactly why he won the primary in a landslide. He damaged his campaign so much according to shitty media pundits and the very online folks that he came out ahead by like 10 million votes of the runner up. So clearly this is nonsense that you really need to get past already. Biden is very strong with one on one debates too. Most people came out of the last debate thinking Biden did better than Bernie.

    And lol Trump is not immune to this, look at the polls already. You're getting him confused with Biden.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    The less Biden is seen in public, the more people will focus exclusively on the consequences of Trump staying in office, which is why Biden's had such a big lead in the polls for so long.
    Biden has been seen plenty. This is only an online thing that people think he is just hiding away in his basement. Trump is the focus even with Biden out there doing interviews and such. Never mind the fact Biden has been ahead of Trump since 2019.

    You really have no clue why Biden is ahead because your views here are very online only based. Just like Trump's campaign. And how Bernie's campaign was.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    There's also the very significant possibility that holding a proper debate will be impossible due to COVID, which would work in Biden's favor.
    If they don't happen and they will happen, trust me, it would only help Trump.
    Trump will get crushed in the debates. That's not even up to question really. But the moment Biden has a stuttering moment, you'll give Trump the win, that I am sure of.

    *Biden's poll number go up post debates*

    Ah well. Nevertheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Trump's mental health has clearly worsened over the last few years but he's still a better speaker than Biden, who has a tendency to embarass himself and damage the campaign (something that Trump seems completely immune to).
    Robo no disrespect, and I get you have your opinions but this is bar none the dumbest thing I've seen you say.

    You can watch or read a transcript of a Trump interview or speech over the last several years and can see first hand how much of terrible public speaker this guy is hell
    we've pointed it out numerous times what his weaknesses is in speaking i.e. his tendency to repeat his himself, being overdramatic, hating to be challenged or questioned, being concise (sometimes) but also being too vague.

    As for whose the bigger liability to their respective plans Trump unanimously wins that argument. Between his constant lying, shifting concept of loyalty, janky cognitive state, demonizing both his supporters & prospective supporters, his poor grasp of current trends & social dynamics, his poor management style, etc

    I don't know how you think he's better than Biden on any of these fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Trump's mental health has clearly worsened over the last few years but he's still a better speaker than Biden, who has a tendency to embarass himself and damage the campaign (something that Trump seems completely immune to).
    The less Biden is seen in public, the more people will focus exclusively on the consequences of Trump staying in office, which is why Biden's had such a big lead in the polls for so long.

    There's also the very significant possibility that holding a proper debate will be impossible due to COVID, which would work in Biden's favor.
    I don't have a specific source, but from what I understand your average joe on the street doesn't really care about Biden's gaffes. They're relatively harmless, especially next to Trump's, and common enough to him that only the hardcore political junkies go to the trouble of dissecting Biden gaffes for something incriminating.

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    While we're on the subject of speeches, here's one from the guy I still think of as Mr. President:




    And apparently even GOPers think it's stupid to back QAnon:
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    Trump wins debates because he doesn't have to use facts or logic. He can say whatever he wants, and even if he's proven wrong in the moment, his cult will either disregard the truth altogether, or start frothing at the mouth and chanting "Fake news! Fake news!" Biden doesn't have that luxury. Every time he talks about poor kids being just as smart as white kids, calling potential voters fat or dog faced, and thinking he's running for congress peoplle will turn away from him. But those are just gaffs, am I right? Nothing to see here. Just shove uncle joe back into the closet until it's time to weekend at Bernie's those debates, lol.
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    Trump was worthless in the one on one debates, he only thrived in the crowded GOP primary ones.

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    The only other thing I can add is, people really should tune into Biden's speech right now.

    It's very strong and very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    The only other thing I can add is, people really should tune into Biden's speech right now.

    It's very strong and very good.
    Where can I listen to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Trump was worthless in the one on one debates, he only thrived in the crowded GOP primary ones.
    The only thing I remember from the Hillary/trumpy debates is "Because you'd be in jail." I hate trumpy, but even I have to admit that was a sick ass burn that she had no response to.
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    In 2000, the Gore campaign kept making a point about Dubya’s low intelligence and his inability to speak well. Once the debates happened, he easily overcame that incredibly low bar set by the Democrats and won the debates in the eyes of the viewership.

    Completely unrelated, Biden is doing a speech without wondering where he is even once!

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