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    The narrative that an election where Biden flipped two solid R states (Arizona and Georgia) was a tight one is a bit bizarre to me. Sure, some of the margins in the winning states were close, and the amount of votes that Trump got is frightening to say the least, but a Democrat taking solid R states in addition to key swing states is really not that close. It's quite substantial.


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    I'm not gonna lie to you all, the anxiety about everything that's going on with this election is still there and I'm still very eager to just get to Jan 21st when it's well and truly over...

    But stories like this are helping more than anything.

    Headline: Trump fears Giuliani, other lawyers in Biden vote challenge are ‘fools that are making him look bad’

    GEE! I WONDER where he'd get THAT idea!

    Like, god damnit. Where is the self awareness?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    I'm not gonna lie to you all, the anxiety about everything that's going on with this election is still there and I'm still very eager to just get to Jan 21st when it's well and truly over...

    But stories like this are helping more than anything.

    Headline: Trump fears Giuliani, other lawyers in Biden vote challenge are ‘fools that are making him look bad’

    GEE! I WONDER where he'd get THAT idea!

    Like, god damnit. Where is the self awareness?!
    "Stupid Rudy! You make me look bad!"

    Also, Trump on Jan. 21st.

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    Board of Canvassers certifies Michigan’s election results

    https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...-3-1-vote.html
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    GSA head finally does her job; releases transition funds to Biden.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/polit...gin/index.html

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    General Motors withdraws support for Trump Administration lawsuit against California over fuel standards; endorses Biden plan for electric cars.

    https://news.yahoo.com/gm-quits-trum...185203580.html
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    This should go without saying, but Obama did not kill "hundreds of thousands of people"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili..._drone_strikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envy View Post
    The narrative that an election where Biden flipped two solid R states (Arizona and Georgia) was a tight one is a bit bizarre to me. Sure, some of the margins in the winning states were close, and the amount of votes that Trump got is frightening to say the least, but a Democrat taking solid R states in addition to key swing states is really not that close. It's quite substantial.
    It's not Biden that's the problem, it's that downballot Dems did so poorly that all the 2018 gains will be undone by the next round of gerrymandering.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...1/23/day-1404/

    Day 1404: "A monster."


    Spoiler:
    1/ The General Services Administration formally recognized Biden as the winner of the 2020 presidential election – more than two weeks after securing the electoral votes necessary to win the White House. Emily Murphy, the Trump appointee who runs the GSA, faced weeks of criticism from Democrats, national security, and health experts, who argued that delaying the formal transition was hampering the incoming Biden administration from receiving classified briefings and preparing for the distribution of a coronavirus vaccine. In a letter to Biden, Murphy said she was “never directly or indirectly pressured by any Executive Branch official — including those who work at the White House or the G.S.A.” Biden is now able to access millions of dollars in federal funds and resources to begin his transition to power. Trump, meanwhile, tweeted that he had recommended that the GSA begin “initial protocols” for the transition. Trump also said he was not conceding. (Washington Post / New York Times / Politico / NPR / NBC News / Wall Street Journal)

    2/ A group of Republican national security experts demanded that Trump concede the election. The statement’s signers – including former homeland security secretary Tom Ridge – urged Republican leaders to “strongly oppose” Trump’s “dangerous and extra-legal efforts to threaten and intimidate state officials in order to prevent a vote by the Electoral College,” adding that “Trump’s refusal to permit the presidential transition poses significant risks to our national security.” Meanwhile, more than 160 top American executives asked the Trump administration to acknowledge Biden as the president-elect and begin the transition, writing that “Every day that an orderly presidential transition process is delayed, our democracy grows weaker in the eyes of our own citizens and the nation’s stature on the global stage is diminished.” Some of the executives who signed on to the letter have also discussed withholding campaign donations from the two Republican Senate candidates in Georgia until party leaders push for a presidential transition. (Washington Post / New York Times / NPR)

    3/ A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by Trump’s campaign seeking to block the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results. Judge Matthew Brann wrote that Trump’s campaign, which had asked him to disenfranchise nearly seven million voters, should have come to court “armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption” in its efforts to essentially nullify the results. The Trump campaign had claimed there were widespread improprieties with mail-in ballots in the state. In his 37-page ruling, Brann said he expected a compelling legal argument “and factual proof of rampant corruption” from the Trump campaign, but instead “this court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations” that were “unsupported by evidence.” Brann added: “This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together.” (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / Bloomberg / CNN / Politico)
    • The Michigan State Board of Canvassers voted to certify the state’s presidential election results, effectively awarding the state’s 16 electoral votes to President-elect Biden. (Washington Post / NBC News)
    4/ Biden named a number of high-level administration and Cabinet positions for his foreign policy and national security team, tapping Linda Thomas-Greenfield as the ambassador to the United Nations, Alejandro Mayorkas as homeland security secretary, and Avril Haines as director of national intelligence. Mayorkas would be the first Latino to run the department responsible for managing the nation’s immigration policies. Haines would be the highest-ranking woman to serve in the intelligence community. Biden also named his longtime adviser Antony Blinken as secretary of state, John Kerry as his climate czar, and Jake Sullivan as his national security adviser. Biden also plans to nominate Janet Yellen as treasury secretary. (Bloomberg / NBC News / New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / New York Times / Politico / Bloomberg / CNN / The Guardian / New York Times / NPR)5/ A third COVID-19 vaccine is reportedly highly effective. AstraZeneca said the results of an interim analysis show that its vaccine could be up to 90% effective in preventing the disease. Unlike the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, the AstraZeneca vaccine doesn’t have to be stored at freezer temperatures, making it potentially easier to distribute. (NBC News / Associated Press / Washington Post)6/ Trump Jr. tested positive for the coronavirus. A spokesman said Trump Jr. tested positive at the start of last week has been “quarantining out at his cabin since the result.” Trump Jr. is the first of Trump’s adult children to test positive, although his girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle tested positive in July, and Trump’s youngest child, Barron Trump, tested positive in October. Trump himself tested positive for COVID-19 on Oct. 1, and was hospitalized at Walter Reed Medical Center one day later. Trump Jr.’s announcement came hours after Rudy Giuliani’s son, Andrew Giuliani, a special assistant to the president, announced that he had tested positive. Two Republican senators, Rick Scott and Chuck Grassley of Iowa, also said they tested positive. (Bloomberg / CBS News / ABC News / New York Times / CNN)
    • Sen. Kelly Loeffler is self-isolating after she tested positive for the coronavirus. The Georgia senator, a Republican, is currently campaigning in a runoff election that could determine control of the Senate. Loeffler tested positive for the coronavirus on Friday evening and then receiving an inconclusive result on Saturday. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution / New York Times)
    • Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson said he became “extremely sick” from COVID-19, but now believes he is “out of the woods” after receiving an antibody treatment. Carson said his initial symptoms were light, but then he became “desperately ill,” and noted that he has “several co-morbidities” that played a role. (NPR / CNN)
    7/ The White House still plans to host partially indoor holiday parties despite warnings from health experts and a surge in COVID-19 cases. U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, meanwhile, warned that Americans, including the White House, should follow the CDC guidelines and avoid large gatherings during what he called a “dire point” in the pandemic. Dr. Anthony Fauci called the September Rose Garden event “a super-spreader.” (ABC News / CNN)
    8/ Trump skipped the G-20 summit’s “Pandemic Preparedness and Response” event to play golf. Trump briefly participated in the virtual summit from the Situation Room, tweeting throughout the opening session about his efforts to overturn the results of the presidential election. He then departed the White House for the Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Virginia. The U.S., meanwhile, recorded 195,500 new COVID-19 infections – another record. (New York Times / The Guardian / CNBC / CNN / Slate)

    ✏️ Notables.
    1. Trump will veto legislation to fund the military unless a bipartisan provision to rename military bases honoring Confederate military leaders is removed. Both the Senate and House overwhelmingly passed a provision that would change the names of Confederate-named bases as part of the annual National Defense Authorization Act. (NBC News)
    2. General Motors dropped its support of Trump’s lawsuit seeking to end California’s right to set its own fuel economy standards. Four years ago, GM was one of the first automakers to push Trump to loosen Obama-era standards on fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions and in 2019, GM supported the Trump administration’s legal effort to revoke California’s congressionally granted authority to set tougher standards than the federal government. (Associated Press / Bloomberg / New York Times)
    3. The Trump administration acquired at least 135 tracts of privately owned land to build Trump’s border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border – and plans to acquire another 991 tracts. According to a study by the Government Accountability Office, the Justice Department filed 109 lawsuits against landowners between January 2017 and August 2020 to seize their property permanently. Trump administration lawyers have prepared another 100 lawsuits against landowners to permanently acquire their property. (CBS News)
    4. Twenty-eight migrant children and their parents are facing deportation after refusing to be separated in detention and then losing an appeal for the right to claim asylum in the U.S. Because they crossed the border during Trump’s policy prohibiting immigrants from claiming asylum in the U.S. if they first passed through another country, they were not able to make their claim before an immigration judge. The policy has since been overturned, but immigrants who entered the U.S. when it was in place were not helped by the decision. (NBC News)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    The more relevant question, to me, is "does it really matter, at this point?"

    Alternatively, "Okay, and?"
    Well a large chunk of society hasn't yet gotten to the point where they recognize that Obama was a bad president who stabbed his base in the back, and he's still actively taking advantage of his popularity to achieve political goals, so yes it matters.

    It's definitely surprising seeing him admit that he never understood or sympathized with the people he targeted and asked to vote for him, though.

    If the majority of Democrats saw this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    Between him stealing an election, stumbling into both the War On Terror & Iraq (which of course bled over into Obama's presidency), poor response to Katrina, him presiding over numerous death sentences as Governor of Texas, his ties to Enron, him being one of the key names responsible for the Financial Crisis of 2008.

    Not much to feel sorry for him over.
    Why didn't he?

    Is it just a weird ploy to appeal to Republicans by throwing the left under the bus?
    Last edited by RoboBlue; November 23rd, 2020 at 06:05 PM.

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    People who say Obama was a bad president will never be listened to at all when it comes to leadership of this country nor the nature of its elections.

    Their opinions are rightfully discarded. And no this is not me saying you can't criticize Obama or his admin. This is me calling out people who are out of touch with reality.

    And as we can see, they do love to inflate the number of casualties of the drone strikes that were under Obama. And yet never a word about Trump doing even more strikes.

    The first black president truly broke minds here. But that does not make him a bad president.
    Last edited by Dorobō Neko; November 23rd, 2020 at 06:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    I'm not gonna lie to you all, the anxiety about everything that's going on with this election is still there and I'm still very eager to just get to Jan 21st when it's well and truly over...

    But stories like this are helping more than anything.

    Headline: Trump fears Giuliani, other lawyers in Biden vote challenge are ‘fools that are making him look bad’

    GEE! I WONDER where he'd get THAT idea!

    Like, god damnit. Where is the self awareness?!
    Trump.

    Self-Awareness

    Girl, there's your problem.

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    This is probably as close to a concession as we're going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    GSA head finally does her job; releases transition funds to Biden.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/polit...gin/index.html
    Thank god.

    I recently found out this woman is a graduate of my college. I'm so embarrassed.

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    N/M, didn't realize Ubiq had already beaten me to the GSA enabling transition story.
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    "For some reason, people are upset when you don't do your job, try to kill democracy, and cause delays that may cost thousands of lives!"

    Now, to try and be impartial about this... if she was a hardcore democrat with a long record of voting blue, been in her position for multiple administrations, and still made the exact same decisions....


    she'd still be terrible at her job, getting complaints, screwing up democracy, risking lives, and need to be fired.

    But at least she'd be able to *pretend* it was actually duty waiting on the facts and not completely partisan.
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    I'm hurt they used the Bruins as the Trump-role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino
    This should go without saying, but Obama did not kill "hundreds of thousands of people"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili..._drone_strikes
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobo_Neko
    And as we can see, they do love to inflate the number of casualties of the drone strikes that were under Obama. And yet never a word about Trump doing even more strikes.
    I'm sorry but the whole "the other president did it worse so my shit don't stink" argument doesn't hold water here. What matters is that drone strikes were done and had killed civilians in the process to which the president can be held accountable for. This is something that Obama and Trump will have on their heads for the rest of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    This should go without saying, but Obama did not kill "hundreds of thousands of people"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili..._drone_strikes
    OK, yeah... I was way off.

    Still, those deaths and the roughly 125,000 total civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan under Obama's watch were completely unnecessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    And as we can see, they do love to inflate the number of casualties of the drone strikes that were under Obama. And yet never a word about Trump doing even more strikes.
    I'm guessing you missed the debate over whether or not Trump committed genocide.

    It's true that we don't talk a lot about Trump's drone strikes but the whole world has unfortunately been kept busy by all the other horrible things he's spent every waking moment of the last four years doing.

    This is whataboutism and Obama shouldn't get off the hook for his mistakes just because the president who came after him was worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    People who say Obama was a bad president will never be listened to at all when it comes to leadership of this country nor the nature of its elections.

    Their opinions are rightfully discarded. And no this is not me saying you can't criticize Obama or his admin. This is me calling out people who are out of touch with reality.
    You say that you're not saying people can't criticize Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorobō Neko View Post
    The first black president truly broke minds here. But that does not make him a bad president.
    ...But then you imply that they're racist for doing so.

    Edit: wait a minute, where are you guys getting the impression that I was only talking about deaths from drone strikes?
    Last edited by RoboBlue; November 23rd, 2020 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Well a large chunk of society hasn't yet gotten to the point where they recognize that Obama was a bad president
    Yeah, you're not going to get a lot of traction with that stance.

    Obama wasn't a great amazing all time best president, no. He made mistakes and did bad things, yes. But considering everything he inherited from Bush, and that includes Iraq and Afghanistan and the market crash, he did pretty good. He also stomped three different plague outbreaks that no one remembers because he actually took care of them. He's probably the best one we've had within the lifetime of most of the forum members here, and certainly within the time any of us have been eligible to vote.
    ANd not to make it a race thing, but yes, being a black man, does in an of itself, elevate him some. There is an achievement and healing there and some forward progress for the country, and that's going to be significant. He managed to pass universal healthcare, even if it is a tainted version.

    He was clean and scandal free and did so well at fixing the economy Trump was able to coast his first three years off his success before causing a crash worse than Bush's recession and worse than the great depression..

    This is whataboutism and Obama shouldn't get off the hook for his mistakes just because the president who came after him was worse.
    The one before him was pretty bad too.

    Obama doesn't get a free pass no, and he's not one of the greats, but you have to stretch pretty far to call him "bad". All the presidents, ALL of them, going back to Washington, fucked up somewhere and have massive blights on their record, some in massive ways, but its inarguable that some have done WAY better than others.
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    Let's be real, we all loved Michelle more than Barak anyway.

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