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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    Handa-kun sold 1.3 million within 4 volumes. Plus, the biggest thing is that two series (original + spin-off) are selling really high. I know that Soul Eater is one of top 5 best selling Gangan series, but its spin-off wasn't very popular (even animation was awful). As compared to that, there isn't much example for series that have success in both original and spin-off. Thus, it has possibility to make big franchise as well; heck Handa-kun's popularity may also going to increase because of anime.
    Oh wow, 1.3 million is a massive boost. They were only at 230k two volumes ago.
    It'll still take a few more years before it's Soul Eater level though.

    I didn't deny the possibility, I'm saying you're a little ahead of yourself declaring it a equal franchise. It's like declaring One Piece is equal franchise to Dragon Ball, but back in 2000. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    Oh wow, 1.3 million is a massive boost. They were only at 230k two volumes ago.
    It'll still take a few more years before it's Soul Eater level though.
    I know that they are not at SE's level; I'm saying that they have potential to become big. Barakamon's sale is still growing and Handa-kun's popularity is high without an anime. So, when Handa-kun's popularity increase after the anime, then they going to release more than SE's level (two heads are better than one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    I know that they are not at SE's level; I'm saying that they have potential to become big. Barakamon's sale is still growing and Handa-kun's popularity is high without an anime. So, when Handa-kun's popularity increase after the anime, then they going to release more than SE's level (two heads are better than one).
    I don't disagree, but you weren't being clear with this refute quote, man.

    I doubt it. They are at same level as Soul Eater
    Can't read your mind bro, just what you type.

    EDIT: I'm very happy for the spin-off's massive boost though, it deserves it!
    Meanwhile I'mma go buy WSM issue to check out some firefighter goodness. I'll see if it's worth subscribing.
    Last edited by Aohige_AP; September 23rd, 2015 at 03:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post

    I'm not subscribed to Shounen Magazine right now, because after Again! ended and Yamada-kun became boring, I realized I just didn't give enough of a fuck to keep it. Okubo coming to Magazine might make me want to read again.
    You don't enjoy The Seven Deadly Sins?

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    I liked it. I love Ōkubo's artstyle.

    Predictions:


    There will be 4th Generation
    Pyromaniacs are going to be the enemies
    Main character can probably transform into some kind of fire creature
    Probably different fire colors for different level of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    You don't enjoy The Seven Deadly Sins?
    For what it's worth it's a far cry from what it could have been. I was one of its biggest enthusiast and it lost me in all of Nakaba's worst aspects that I hoped he would have fixed since Kongou Banchou. Really the only endearing thing about that series are the sins themselves interacting with each other. But enough derailment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthAsthma View Post
    Nakaba's worst aspects that I hoped he would have fixed since Kongou Banchou
    What are they?????

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    Fuck I love the art. I'm really looking forward to reading this every week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthAsthma View Post
    For what it's worth it's a far cry from what it could have been. I was one of its biggest enthusiast and it lost me in all of Nakaba's worst aspects that I hoped he would have fixed since Kongou Banchou. Really the only endearing thing about that series are the sins themselves interacting with each other. But enough derailment.
    The question wasn't directly to you but kay.

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    The art alone is enough to make me feel nostalgic and I really loved the chapter. Then again Soul Eater is my favorite manga so I am not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    The question wasn't directly to you but kay.
    Doesn't mean I can't comment on it lmao. I mean you know how forums work, right?
    If you want to exclude people from chiming in we have this feature I believe it's called private messages also known as pm, but kay.

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    It just seemed kinda random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    Can't read your mind bro, just what you type.
    I'm not writing about opinion, it is fact. Plus, Gangan is way different when SE is leading the series as compared to right now. Back then, SE, itself, had to lead the magazine by itself, but right now, both Barakamon and Handa-kun are leading the series (two heads are better than one).

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    I remember when I heard that this was coming and thinking that the premise itself was so ridiculous that it would probably be amazing somehow, and I'm honestly intrigued following this first chapter. Excited to see how this one goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    I'm not writing about opinion, it is fact. Plus, Gangan is way different when SE is leading the series as compared to right now. Back then, SE, itself, had to lead the magazine by itself, but right now, both Barakamon and Handa-kun are leading the series (two heads are better than one).
    I'm wondering if this is a language barrier kaizou, but:

    "They are at same level as Soul Eater"
    "I know that they are not at SE's level;"

    These are direct contradiction of each other lol.

    It's semantics now, since you've made clear of your intention, but you have to admit it wasn't clear at all in your first statement.

    two heads are better than one

    Certainly, but I'm not sure you could separate them as two independent franchise, since one is but a spin-off of the other.
    It's really just one big franchise.

    It's really off-topic, so I'll put these in spoiler
    Spoiler:

    We'll have to wait till 2016 to see how these franchise will bring GanGan back up again.

    In 2004 GanGan peaked at 370k circulation with FMA serializing.
    In 2010 when FMA ended, the circulation was 150k
    It continued to drop, and in 2013 when Soul Eater ended it was 50k.

    Right now it's sitting at 30k circulation, lost nearly 40% down since Soul Eater ended.
    These are actual hard numbers, not arbitrary impressions.

    With Barakamon's popularity though, hopefully it'll rise back to 40k with 2015, and perhaps back to 50k range within the next couple of years!


    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    You don't enjoy The Seven Deadly Sins?
    It's ok. Doesn't interest me enough to keep a WSM sub.
    Honestly it's the least appealing of his works to date. Wish he could continue on the line of Ultra Red.


    As for this title, the world seems quirky enough to coexist with SE. (though I doubt it, since publisher changed.) I'd love to see subtle cameos and references, just for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    I'm wondering if this is a language barrier kaizou, but:

    "They are at same level as Soul Eater"
    "I know that they are not at SE's level;"

    These are direct contradiction of each other lol.

    It's semantics now, since you've made clear of your intention, but you have to admit it wasn't clear at all in your first statement.
    I changed my argument after I rechecked how much Barakamon/Handa-kun were selling. They were slightly lower than SE's sale; that's why I changed my argument (I forgot to mentioned that, so that part is my fault). However, I'm still arguing about Barakamon/Handa-kun going to reach SE's level in near future since Barakamon's selling is increasing and Handa-kun's sale going to improve after its anime aired.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    Certainly, but I'm not sure you could separate them as two independent franchise, since one is but a spin-off of the other.
    It's really just one big franchise.


    I'm not arguing them as separate franchise; I'm arguing them as one franchise. However, both of them have very good sale, and they have higher thank sale adding them together. This is way better as compared to when SE's two series were serializing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    It's really off-topic, so I'll put these in spoiler
    Spoiler:

    We'll have to wait till 2016 to see how these franchise will bring GanGan back up again.

    In 2004 GanGan peaked at 370k circulation with FMA serializing.
    In 2010 when FMA ended, the circulation was 150k
    It continued to drop, and in 2013 when Soul Eater ended it was 50k.

    Right now it's sitting at 30k circulation, lost nearly 40% down since Soul Eater ended.
    These are actual hard numbers, not arbitrary impressions.

    With Barakamon's popularity though, hopefully it'll rise back to 40k with 2015, and perhaps back to 50k range within the next couple of years!


    Yes, it is off-topic, and the magazine circulation doesn't prove anything about whether SE's franchise is bigger than Barakamon's franchise or vice versa. Right now, the decline of magazine circulation is very clear throughout the publisher (like even Shounen Jump and Shounen Magazine are decreasing year-by-year). Is this because of they don't have popular series? No, it is trend that the readers are shifting from paper reading to digital reading, and Gangan is also impacting this trend. Gangan's circulation will keep decreasing and any popular series won't able stop this decline (and you just proved that by showing Gangan's magazine circulation on your spoiler). The magazine circulation doesn't prove anything about which franchise is bigger than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizou 10 View Post
    However, I'm still arguing about
    See, there's the problem. Because you're arguing on subject that there is no argument on. I've already said three times that I agree.

    Yes, it is off-topic, and the magazine circulation doesn't prove anything about whether SE's franchise is bigger than Barakamon's franchise or vice versa. Right now, the decline of magazine circulation is very clear throughout the publisher (like even Shounen Jump and Shounen Magazine are decreasing year-by-year). Is this because of they don't have popular series? No, it is trend that the readers are shifting from paper reading to digital reading, and Gangan is also impacting this trend. Gangan's circulation will keep decreasing and any popular series won't able stop this decline (and you just proved that by showing Gangan's magazine circulation on your spoiler). The magazine circulation doesn't prove anything about which franchise is bigger than the other.
    I know what the market trends are, and they've been a slow slope decline.
    See, none of the magazines you mentioned had a immediate 40% sharp drop in 1 year.

    Shounen Jump lost 6~7% over the course of two years.
    Shounen Sunday lost 18% over the course of two years.
    Shounen Magazine lost 15% over the course of two years.

    ONLY Shounen GanGan had such a drastic sharp decline, and it was immediately following end of Soul Eater.
    Losing a flagship series was clearly the major factor here, not just general market trends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    ONLY Shounen GanGan had such a drastic sharp decline, and it was immediately following end of Soul Eater.
    Losing a flagship series was clearly the major factor here, not just general market trends.
    Again, it is off topic. I don't know why you keep bringing magazine circulation for Gangan for. To prove that Soul Eater is flagship series? I know Soul Eater is flagship series for Gangan and losing it is very drastic thing for Gangan. I'm trying to talk about Barakamon/Handa-kun are new flagship for Gangan, not about SE being not flagship for Gangan.

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    That makes not a lick of sense.

    I didn't start this, YOU did.
    I simply said GanGan must be hurting after SE ended. You came in saying otherwise, the burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine. I'm simply being civil by providing them.

    You started the argument, not me.

    The point is, your favorite manga Barakamon is a new flagship series, but hasn't picked up the pace to provide GanGan with a boost yet. It's still in the infant stages of becoming a big title. You keep saying "but it's going to be big!" which I have not ONCE disagreed with.

    Dude, you need to really collect your thoughts and not box shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
    That makes not a lick of sense.
    Whatever (16 characters)

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