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    I brute force my stories more than anything. I take some characters, mold them roughly, then force out a skeleton for NaNoWriMo or a competition. This lets me not worry about such things as research or accuracy or even grammar. Instead, it's me putting on a character's face or reading their minds and giving an extremely good guess what they would say and do.
    Then I let things sit for a while, then come back months later to see what stays and what goes.
    For comics I'm slightly different in that I try to get all the important movements down in the shortest amount of time and make sure every frame contributes to moving the action forward. I don't even outline all that much. It's 100% like playing with toys for me.

    There have been two major writing styles I've mimicked, and that's Stephen King and GRR Martin. Martin is the most influential on me, as he knows how to cut the fat (except when describing food for some reason) and get the story going smoothly. When it comes to more descriptive works I try and present the images like the audience was watching it on TV, but I do it as quickly as possible so as not to interrupt the flow.

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    I'm going to go ahead and address the questions from the first post because there's something I want seriously considered. Whether it happens one way or another isn't so much my concern but I would like to see it at least get some attention.

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    2.) How active is this section, really? Do you think you need a moderator? Do you want to elect one?
    As mentioned before, we're peaks and valleys all around. However, the monthly organizers and judges are busy pretty regularly and though none of the work that they do may be visible (aside from announcements, general surveying and question answering), the fact remains that they do do a lot. So much so that the monthly had evolved from the previous prototype of the bi-weekly, and so I believe a dedicated sub mod that actively participates in the organization of the monthly would be very convenient.

    This isn't to say that any of our current sub mods are doing a poor job, far from it, in terms of actual moderation (deleting junk posts and closing useless threads) they're absolutely fine. Rather I mean that none of them are active organizers of the monthly and it would just seem appropriate if one of them were. Especially since organizers assume a moderating role already, minus the powers. Whether this means instating a new sub mod or getting one of our current sub mods more involved, I believe it would help significantly in both convenience and stability. The functions they serve being addressed in this next point...

    3.) If for nothing else, a moderator could make news postings for the monthly-writing. Interested still?
    This is something we've been advocating for months now and it would be highly appreciated by all the members of the writing section. The sub mod in this case would be responsible for a more authorized role in organizing the monthly, thread clean up, monthly news postings and actively answering questions and managing judges. And if nothing else, as you've said, it would be very convenient and very much appreciated if we could get those news postings, as well as a little more respect as a more official event. Likely, the news postings would increase our traffic a bit as well so the mod position would then serve its purpose in the bigger picture.

    As others have suggested, I'd recommend Kitsune since he's already essentially at the head of the monthly, a dedicated organizer and writer and actively involved in every area of the writing section. And though he does get silly at times, he can be very articulate, collected and respectable whenever serious issues crop up. More than once he's cleaned up my messes when I've made them and constantly proves to be a strong, driving force in this section. And though my own name isn't worth much of anything, I would gladly stand by and vouch for his exceptional quality.

    Thank you for taking your time to read this and know that we all appreciate your continued interest in our section. We want nothing more than to make this a respectable nook where aspiring writers and curious readers can come and find enjoyment within our small community.

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    Instead of bumping all of my threads, I'll post this here:

    Echoing Kylor, all of my works will be going on temporary hiatus until further notice. As many of you are aware, my computer failed, and until I get a stable system, I will be unable to offer up new chapters. Rather unfortunate, considering I've had a spark or two over the past couple of days.

    As for DURIAN, it is an exception, as I write all chapters spontaneously (it shows!) but due to the fact my current computer is a bit junky, updates will be fewer and further between.

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    hello thread I never realized was here. should check these things more often. :P

    I really ought to revise my writing methods. I don't come up with frameworks for my stories, though I'm sure that would help me a great deal. I don't mean just a general idea of a plot, because I have plenty of those. I think I need to very specifically lay out my story and then connect points before writing. If I only write spontaneously I'll probably never overcome my perpetual writer's block. I guess it's just hard for me to sit down and do it. There's a different way for everyone... My latest piece for the competition just suddenly came about because I was listening to music, but it's not a typical method or anything. The main problem is not having a source of inspiration for an idea, it's how I plan it. How much detail about the plot do you guys formulate before you start writing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimateclima View Post
    1) Anybody want to share their methods for writing? I feel like I have to be in the "right mood" to write, but most of the time my "freetime" doesn't match a time when I wanna write. There are other times when I come up with a bunch of ideas but when it comes to actually writing them out...there's this block since my thoughts are sporadic.
    I'm incredibly lazy when it comes to actually physically writing something down on paper. Otherwise most of the time I "write in my head" as I walk around. Walking is what gets my creative spark going for some reason. I'd say roughly 90% of what I write down has already been written in my head, give or take a particular chapter.

    What usually gets me in a writing mood is music. In particular Metal of all varieties helps me focus my sporadic ideas into a proper structure.

    I say try experimenting a bit with different ways that might get you to write. Hopefully you'll find something that works and you can stick to that.

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    2) Are there any examples of badly written works? I'm not talking about subjective "this work sucks, it's so dumb", but books or stories that provide a clear, bad example of writing and then there's an example of why that passage or work is bad?
    This is a tricky question. Objectively bad works do exist, but I personally believe that knowing what series or stories are "bad in general" wouldn't be nearly as helpful as learning what is bad in the kind of field what kind of stories you like to write.

    That is not to say there isn't merit in understanding bad writing in all genres. However I feel as if it's simply more effective to learn what stories give good examples of what not to do in your style of writing. I for example primarily write manga-esque comics. In particular GREASER is a pastiche satire of shonen manga. So I find it more helpful to learn about comedies with a strong emphasis on parodies to find out questions like "what kind of jokes work and don't work?" and "what kind of parody is too obvious to be funny?".

    So I would recommend narrowing your field to the type of genre and style you generally stick to for your story/stories and work your way from there on~

    Quote Originally Posted by ultimateclima View Post
    3) On the flip side of that, anybody want to give examples of their favorite authors or well written works to emulate? And they could just be books that are fun to read as well.
    I read a lot of H.P. Lovecraft, though admittedly that's mostly because I feel a kinship with writers like him and artists like H.R. Giger because we all have reoccuring nightmares and use those as inspiration.

    Otherwise I read a lot of dystopian type of stories. I recently reread "The Giver". I'd give that one a shot. You might have to look for it in your bookstore's "banned books" section though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piratemarimo View Post
    my main problem is not having a source of inspiration for an idea, it's how I plan it. How much detail about the plot do you guys formulate before you start writing?
    I like to meticulously plan out a sort of frame for how I want the story to start, proceed, and end. So I guess what I'm saying is I plan out the big things and work out the smaller details as I go along. I don't think I could ever write a story without any idea of where I'm going with it. For example I already know how GREASER is going to end, I just need to work on the details as I go along.

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    About bad examples in general I've one book that is the deffinition of a bad book, however it is in Portuguese, and the world would be doomed if it got translated officially. :/
    Its called "O filho de Odin" translated "The son of Odin". And it reads like bad fanfiction. It flat out copies Tolkien and WoW, mixing Norse Mythology to create a Martin Stue who refuses when a girl insists to sleep with him naked, and blows dwarves away with sonic waves upon blowing a flute. And he could control time but he felt that was not necessary during the battle against Dracula, the final boss.

    Just sharing this. I tought everyone would feel happy with themselves knowing that writters this bad can get published (if they have rich parents).
    Did I mention the author being 15?

    About methodes of writting.
    I'm the kind of person that has to open a word window and start typing, after a few forced sentences the whole plot will come to my head. And then while I'm trying to sleep I keep day dreaming the scenes of the story. I also like listening to metal or Jazz while writting. Specially Blind Guardian and Cowboy Bebop's OST.
    My main problem is that despite having everything planed and lots of free time I can't seem to get in the mood to write it down, the best thing to get me in the mood is, of course, feedback. Of any kind.

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    I don't want to quote Kenny's post because it'd stretch the page, but basically I really agree with what he said, especially about the announcements/news postings. Having those would be really useful and beneficial, and make this section more noticeable. Kitty would also be a great choice... Once he gets off his PSP. :P
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    Eh, I decided to go back through this thread and address anything I missed. I'm not going to lie, whatever isn't included in this post I skimmed the hell out of. Kinda just wanted to hit all the main points.

    Quote Originally Posted by brennen.exe View Post
    1.) Is there anything you wanted stickied while you have my attention?
    Nothing, sir.~

    4.) Why do I suck at writing?
    Because you're not utilizing our beautiful services.~

    More serious answer, if you post your story/skeleton we can help you out. Here's the part I mentioned I skimmed so maybe you've gotten all the details you wanted answered already or maybe there's something preventing you from posting your writings (though I did catch the, wanting to keep it on the down low and lack of time parts), but I just wanted to say that if you can post on here period, you can post something for us to read. Admittedly, not every piece of writing is going to be the same, though. So even just writing an example story might not adequately present us with whatever is wrong with the story you actually care about.

    What it can do, though, is introduce you to someone you might want to share your story with for more in-depth help. We got plenty of competent people in here that just love to help one another so it would be a true tragedy not to utilize them. An essential part of the writing process is peer reviewing, or to put it simply, the audience. After all, you write for them. Who better to generate perspective from than from an actual audience?

    And I heard you like reading so I'm just going to suggest these titles for you real quick: "A Dastardly Two" by Kylor, "Yukino" by Cuddles, "Stargazer" by Crossword, anything at all from Insider and if you can deal with it, read everything else and just keep in mind that we're all amateurs/sometimes writing less serious stories.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultimateclima View Post
    General thread, yay! Guess I should ask questions here.

    1) Anybody want to share their methods for writing? I feel like I have to be in the "right mood" to write, but most of the time my "freetime" doesn't match a time when I wanna write. There are other times when I come up with a bunch of ideas but when it comes to actually writing them out...there's this block since my thoughts are sporadic.
    I write a lot of notes. I have mounds and mounds of physical notes as well as tons of documents saved to Word. Whenever an idea pops into mind, I try to write it down as quickly as possible and save it. For me, I'm the kind of person that needs a developed frame and a solid idea of where everything is going. I try my best to avoid plot holes but since my actual writing is pretty sporadic, I need that frame so I can "write within the lines" so to speak.

    Most of the dialogue is done on the spot, though. I feel like dialogue is my strongest point since I try to keep it as natural as possible. With dialogue I have the story nudge them in the direction of wherever it's meant to go but have them say whatever it is they want to say. Like for instance, if the story needs them to go to the supermarket, they'll go there. But they'll say whatever they want on the way to the supermarket, like if a dog barks, that character will definitely mention how much he hates dogs. Simple stuff like that just plain feels more natural.

    Of course, I keep them on topic, but I'm a lot less restrictive when it comes to writing dialogue. And I find that it helps when dealing with true emotions and interactions. Something that's really cool that I noticed is that my characters tend to act slightly differently around each other, which is true for real life as well. I feel like, speech is a wonderful thing to observe under any scenario. Plus, you can describe things more fluently as well through a character. If descriptions aren't your bag, your characters can perfectly voice any explanation any way that you want them to, so it's a nice trick to make things clearer.

    2) Are there any examples of badly written works? I'm not talking about subjective "this work sucks, it's so dumb", but books or stories that provide a clear, bad example of writing and then there's an example of why that passage or work is bad?
    Hmm... You see, it's really hard to point out any single work that fully encompasses why all the writing in its entirety is bad. Especially since bad stories are bad for very specific reasons where, if they were fixed in that area, they would end up being at least decent stories. I tend to avoid using "examples" (unless it's something specific) because reading itself is subjective. And whether or not we agree with them, the tastes of others should be respected.

    What you could do is post passages from works and have the members here analyze it and give their opinions. I feel like perspective gathering is an essential part of pin-pointing a story's worth, especially when the perspectives involved are varied. And if nothing else, it'll show you what popular opinion is, whether good or bad, which is valuable for any writer.

    3) On the flip side of that, anybody want to give examples of their favorite authors or well written works to emulate? And they could just be books that are fun to read as well.
    I know it's cliche but Shakespeare is a heavy influence for me. What I like about his work is the duality of it all and that it can be understood by everyone, not just the target audience. I also like a lot of the dialogue and character interactions that he's written, beyond something as simple as being poetic, it's natural and paints reality as it is rather than fighting it and drawing an escape. You connect with them through their flaws and feel genuine emotion and sorrow as you follow them. Because, "That could be me." No matter how painted in fantasy everything is, you can still state, "That could be me", just painted differently.

    Plus, I love all the snarkiness and juxtaposition. Shakespeare seems like that one friend that's always talking shit, but dammit he's witty about it so let him do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by piratemarimo View Post
    hello thread I never realized was here. should check these things more often. :P

    I really ought to revise my writing methods. I don't come up with frameworks for my stories, though I'm sure that would help me a great deal. I don't mean just a general idea of a plot, because I have plenty of those. I think I need to very specifically lay out my story and then connect points before writing. If I only write spontaneously I'll probably never overcome my perpetual writer's block. I guess it's just hard for me to sit down and do it. There's a different way for everyone... My latest piece for the competition just suddenly came about because I was listening to music, but it's not a typical method or anything. The main problem is not having a source of inspiration for an idea, it's how I plan it. How much detail about the plot do you guys formulate before you start writing?
    Spontaneity is great for brainstorming and rough drafting. If that's the method that works best for you then don't fight it. Instead, use the reviews you receive to clean up your stories and that way you'll reach a fully developed final product. I would keep track of details as they develop though and at least write those down as notes so as to avoid plot holes or inconsistency.

    I, personally, do a shit ton of note taking. But that doesn't always work for everyone and unless you're doing an epic novel, it shouldn't matter too much. For inspiration, let it come naturally. If you want to generate it then do what you love or explore or go outside or something. But whatever you do, just let it come naturally. If you try to force yourself to write, then it'll most likely flop on itself. Because if the author isn't even interested in the work, how can you expect the audience to be?

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    Couple of things to address here:

    First and foremost,

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Kenny
    This is something we've been advocating for months now and it would be highly appreciated by all the members of the writing section. The sub mod in this case would be responsible for a more authorized role in organizing the monthly, thread clean up, monthly news postings and actively answering questions and managing judges. And if nothing else, as you've said, it would be very convenient and very much appreciated if we could get those news postings, as well as a little more respect as a more official event. Likely, the news postings would increase our traffic a bit as well so the mod position would then serve its purpose in the bigger picture.
    While the need for somebody to "moderate" by cleaning up clutter and threads is currently quite minimal, Kenny does raise a good point that having someone in charge of news postings and connecting with the rest of the community. While a current staff member can be more than capable of that, having one of our more dedicated kids in control of that might be more efficient. I don't want to pile things up on eerie and Crossword, after all. If nothing else, having a dedicated "PR guy" is a viable option.

    As for the topic of who, my name's come up quite a bit. e_e But in all seriousness, I have no qualms with doing it, if you deem me appropriate, of course.

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    Anyway, moving on, good news is my file's are all officially on this computer. Meaning things are back to normal with my writing. Almost...

    Anybody familiar with Concerto di Ali knows that I'm writing a story that follows multiple protagonists. Because of this, the events in Chapter 2 don't really affect Chapter 3, for example's sake. What do you guys think about writing out of sequence? Like, would you advise writing Chapter 3 before 2 if they don't directly influence each other? But what if they do? What are your thoughts on writing several chapters at once and switching back and forth when you feel like writing a different chapter?

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    I feel like I should say something, but pretty much everyone's said what they were going to.
    In my case, I would agree with the news posting idea. The more readers we get the more critique we'll have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsune Inferno View Post
    Anyway, moving on, good news is my file's are all officially on this computer. Meaning things are back to normal with my writing. Almost...

    Anybody familiar with Concerto di Ali knows that I'm writing a story that follows multiple protagonists. Because of this, the events in Chapter 2 don't really affect Chapter 3, for example's sake. What do you guys think about writing out of sequence? Like, would you advise writing Chapter 3 before 2 if they don't directly influence each other? But what if they do? What are your thoughts on writing several chapters at once and switching back and forth when you feel like writing a different chapter?
    I say have some sort of transition between the end of one chapter with the beginning of the next. I can't give any specific examples of how to do so because admittedly I haven't really read your story, but something like that would be at the very least less jarring for readers.

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    Since this is a relevant place, I am going to make a top ten list of my favorite stories I've read this past year, because end-of-year lists are cool and everybody's doing them and I want to be cool:

    #10

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    Greaser by RPGJay
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    I love Greaser. It's silly, it's fun, it's creative. It's clearly a love letter to shonen with a fun and exciting setting. I mean, I could seriously see something of this caliber running in Jump, though I'm not sure how prominent fast food is in Japan, but that's neither here nor there. Greaser's still early on though and it has yet to plant its feet in the ground, but I fully expect it to deliver in 2012. Jay you have 30 minutes to write me a Double Chapter Greaser with Cheese or it's free. >=\


    #9

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    Garbled Sanctuary by LaCaSiNa
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    Garbled Sanctuary is, wait for it, fanfiction. Gross, right? Wrong! LaCa delivers a well written little horror story that is set in the Silent Hill universe. What makes it a nice little piece of work is that I am not familiar with Silent Hill at all. Yet I can still enjoy it! That's what makes Garbled Sanctuary THE best example of well-written fanfiction: it's accessible. My only complaint? It's only two chapters long so far :( I want more LaCa!


    #8

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    The Show Must Go On by Insider2000
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    Show is a one-shot story of Insider's, though it's probably part of a much larger story yet to be told. I really like the poetic justice served in this piece that makes it such a satisfying read. There's not much to say because it's already complete, but it's a nice little short story worthy of a read.


    #7

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    Sunflower by Kairouseki
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    There's something really macabre and enticing about Kairou's style, and Sunflower's a perfect example of that. I love how the setting quickly shifts from a very simple, homely story to a supernatural nightmare. The ending is quite confusing, indeed, and Kairou's writing was a bit all over the place, but something exceptional can be said about a work that I can still recall rather vividly after reading it several months ago. I want to see more him in 2012!


    #6

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    Thriller Blend by Uncle Kenny
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    I did not want to include this because I currently hate Kenny with the passion of a thousand volcanic suns (if those exist~). He'll get no sympathy (or blowjobs) from me! >=\ But alas, I am weak, because I love Thriller Blend with the passion of approximately eleven hundred volcanic suns (give or take fifty). All I want from Kenny in 2012 is to WRITE MORE. I want more Britney Bright. And more Trixie. And more Half-Happy Town in general.~ I just love Half-Happy Town. And Kenny too.~ Let me go change, I don't want to ruin the knees of these pants...


    #5

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    Drowning in Identity by LaCaSiNa
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    A lot can be said when a translated work, from a non-native English speaker, can be so richly evocative as Drowning in Identity. It's fluid, it's fun, it's impressive, and along with Garbled Sanctuary, is exemplary of LaCa's versatility as a writer. It's worth reading, though it's a short story, so not much can be said, other than how much more of LaCa's work I want to see in 2012.


    #4

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    Working Title by piratemarimo
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    If there's one story I REALLY want to see more of, it's this one. I know you said it was something random, but it really feels like something great and interesting can come from it. I don't know why I didn't give it a proper review in your thread, but I've got to say, you've got a really interesting foundation here. I can't wait to see more from you in 2012, though, and if we don't get more of this, perhaps we'll see a lot of interesting things like it from you. You're a very versatile writer.~


    #3

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    Reflections of Sin by Insider2000
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    Reflections of Sin is a very fun little story by Insider. It's only 4 chapters long, but it's a really engaging little piece of work. Christine/Prism and Kurt are some of the most flavorful characters around. Although it's basically a single installment of a greater story, it's still a very, very satisfying read, especially if you love the marriage of real-world and fantasy elements.


    #2

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    A Dastardly Two by Kylor
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    Well, this one's no surprise, unless you expected it to be top of the list. But I'm a proud man, and I can't settle for second place on my own list, can I? ^_~. But no, in all seriousness, I love ADT. It's without question the best written work on Arlong Park in a technical sense. The characters are fun, the descriptors are flawless, it's absolutely immersive. If I have any gripe about it, it's the pacing, which is something that will hopefully improve over the next year. Unless Kylor has dropped it, which I sincerely hope is not the case. Lockery and Vivien's adventures must continue, dammit!


    #1

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    Concerto di Ali by Kitsune Inferno
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    Not really... #1

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    Yukino by Cuddles the Dark
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    I can feel your rage. I didn't put A Dastardly Two on top of my list. Why not? Because Yukino is just slightly better in my opinion. It's better paced, it's original, it's really succinct, and the characters really breathe. That's not to say they don't in A Dastardly Two, and as it stands, Cuddles lacks serious polish, something I hope to see improve in 2012. A Dastardly Two is certainly the tighter, more polished work, but I feel Yukino tells the stronger, more interesting story.


    (I originally had Stargazer and The Mutiny on this list, but I've yet to seriously read either, unfortunately. I'll get around to it soon.~)

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    I love you too.~

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    Kitsune you are wonderful.

    My own list is kind of less complete but...

    Dastardy Two - Kylor

    The Mutiny - Charmed

    There's also the one Kenny wrote, but I can't recall the title atm.


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    It's Thriller Blend.

    Incidentally, I'm going to edit the first two chapters and then start more seriously writing this year. It's one of my resolutions to write at least 10 new chapters of TB so you guys can expect a minimum of 10. Also, I want to see the rest of you writing and continuing your own stories. You should all make a resolution along with me. >=9
    Last edited by Jazzy Jinx; January 1st, 2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason: Just like how Vixen should make a resolution to get past chapter 1 of Concerto di Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Kenny View Post
    It's Thriller Blend.

    Incidentally, I'm going to edit the first two chapters and then start more seriously writing this year. It's one of my resolutions to write at least 10 new chapters of TB so you guys can expect a minimum of 2. Also, I want to see the rest of you writing and continuing your own stories. You should all make a resolution along with me. >=9
    Fixed . >=P

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    If I make 10, you should pay me a yet to be determined amount of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Kenny View Post
    If I make 10, you should pay me a yet to be determined amount of money.
    Fine, but let's be perfectly clear this time that blowjobs are not money and infinity is not a number.

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    Maybe I should resolve to read more for starters. :P


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    A top ten list would be hard for me. ^^;
    Aw, thanks Fox. I'll be sure to work on my polishing.
    I won't be beat. >:D
    Also, a Happy New Year to all the writers out there. I can't wait to see all your stories continue!

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