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    Politics NOT becoming a cult is the thing we want to strive for.

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    Alright, I'm really trying not to take petty shots anymore, so I'll just leave it at what's been said. Everyone knows my opinions by now anyway.
    Gonna give ya the D.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    All I saw was 25 minutes of political virtue signalling. To say that you can genuinely get behind Biden now because of it just shows, Robby, that you're a reflection of a perpetual trap that people keep falling into: The trap of charismatic seduction. The EXACT trap that Trump used to establish his cult base.
    Yeah, honestly I didn't like the speech either.
    I wrote a review of it earlier but didn't bother posting it because everyone was talking about how it was the greatest speech they'd heard in years, so I didn't want to piss people off.

    I watched Biden's speech.
    He had a few good moments. I was touched when he talked about loss and his experience overcoming it.

    The other 20 minutes was corny, manipulative and insincere. Almost everything he said was a more poorly worded rehash of things I've been hearing Democrats and media figures say for the last four years.

    If we're grading him for enunciation and lack of gaffes then he gets an A, but what he actually said and how it came across was C material.
    I can't think of an Obama or Hillary speech worse than that, and I've seen Biden speak much more effectively in the past.
    He needs to fire his speech writer and get a new one.
    I saw a few people in other online spaces saying that the speech had convinced them to register to vote, so that's good at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    LOL! There is 4 years worth of YouTube, Twitter, and other social media evidence proving that these yahoos supported Trump. They can wash their hands clean with this all they like, the evidence is there and they supported Trump. The fact that Trump won't be in office anymore doesn't magically change that!
    There's one thing that conservatism is fantastic at, and that's being blatant hypocrites and getting away with it. Like how Mitch McConnell's blocking of President Obama's rightful Supreme Court nomination because "it happened too late, we need to wait for the next election" happened, but now he's proudly boasting that he would push through a Trump Supreme Court nomination this year if he has the opportunity.

    More informed citizens like you and I may pay attention to this stuff, but most people don't, and most people will believe whatever. Conservatives always end up controlling the narrative.

    You also have to take into account Evangelical/Christianity's ability to wield the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, and claim that the ones who voted for Trump weren't "true Christians". American Christians, not just Evangelicals, have this underlying belief that anyone who is not good in their eyes is not actually a Christian. This mindset alone could eventually erode away at the public knowledge that Evangelicals supported Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    Do not underestimate Americans' desire to hear a speech that wasn't made by a bot using copious amount of racial dogwhistles and weird controversies from the 90s (I'm pretty sure Trump brought up low-flow toilets recently.)

    One of the many pieces to Biden's appeal is his ability to seem like the kind of guy where, if he was president, you wouldn't have to spend every waking moment of every day for four years thinking about how he's president.
    Yes. I'd wager that a large portion of people are sick and tired of the spectacle. Sick and tired of someone as brash as Trump constantly appearing on the news and constantly having to hear his irritating voice and all of the drama surrounding him. I hope these people turn out in droves to vote him out.

    While I know that Trump is far more harmful than just being all over the news, I, too, am very irritated with him being everywhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    All I saw was 25 minutes of political virtue signalling.
    The only people who use that term are alt-right people, so wtf are you trying to pull here.

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    Not that it matters at this point, but was there ever a reason given why Michelle Obama didn't enter the race at all? I feel she would have wiped the floor with Trump, no contest.


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    She saw what the job did to her husband, and probably wouldn't have liked putting the family through it again.

    Maybe she doesn't have what it takes to be a politician. Just because men-child, reality show actors, or fat slobs get the job doesn't mean that it doesn't take a certain set of skills to do it properly..
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    She saw what the job did to her husband, and probably wouldn't have liked putting the family through it again.

    Maybe she doesn't have what it takes to be a politician. Just because men-child, reality show actors, or fat slobs get the job doesn't mean that it doesn't take a certain set of skills to do it properly..
    As the fat slob, reality show actor man-child currently in the office proves on a weekly, if not daily, basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    Not that it matters at this point, but was there ever a reason given why Michelle Obama didn't enter the race at all? I feel she would have wiped the floor with Trump, no contest.
    No interest in doing it, would just dig up old lines from Hillary's 2008 bid about coasting off her husband's accomplishments, and considering how the stars aligned specifically to fuck over a white woman in 2016 a black woman would have even less chance.

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    Political campaigning, by definition, is virtue signalling.

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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-fees-72543035

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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    I am LIVID at Tennessee right now:
    https://apnews.com/f465062c6eb6ab38c8df99b40f687fe4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    Not that it matters at this point, but was there ever a reason given why Michelle Obama didn't enter the race at all? I feel she would have wiped the floor with Trump, no contest.
    I think plain just didn't want to. And I don't blame her, wonderful as she is.

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    "The South is to fat to rise again" - Nashville Pussy
    But that don't mean they can't try to bring back the Jim Crow era.

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    In funnier news, the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee found an honest-to-god fan letter that Trump wrote Putin:
    https://secondnexus.com/putin-donald...9Oq12LVZf_iw4E

    I mean, sad, but funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    I am LIVID at Tennessee right now:
    https://apnews.com/f465062c6eb6ab38c8df99b40f687fe4
    I keep telling people outside of the South that they don't know yet just how bad it can get under Republicans; maybe this becoming a national story will be a wakeup call for some but I doubt it.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    I am LIVID at Tennessee right now:
    https://apnews.com/f465062c6eb6ab38c8df99b40f687fe4



    I think plain just didn't want to. And I don't blame her, wonderful as she is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    I keep telling people outside of the South that they don't know yet just how bad it can get under Republicans; maybe this becoming a national story will be a wakeup call for some but I doubt it.
    For context, the headline reads "Tennessee gov signs bill upping penalties on some protests"

    Tennessee protesters will face harsher penalties, including losing the right to vote, for breaking certain laws during demonstrations under a law enacted by Gov. Bill Lee.

    The Republican governor quietly signed off on the bill Thursday. Lee has previously conceded there were portions of the bill he “would have done differently” but ultimately agreed to make the proposal law effective immediately with his signature.


    Tennessee’s GOP-dominant General Assembly advanced the measure last week during a brief three-day special legislative session while also passing bills on COVID-19 liability immunity and telemedicine.


    Most notably, the new law now states that those who illegally camp on state property would now face a Class E felony, punishable by up to six years in prison, rather than a misdemeanor. Felony convictions in Tennessee result in the revocation of an individual’s right to vote.


    The bill also imposes a mandatory minimum 45-day hold if convicted of aggravated rioting; enhances the fine for obstructing emergency vehicles from accessing highways; requires a court to order restitution for damaging state property; and creates a Class C felony offense for aggravated assault against a first responder — which carries a $15,000 fine and mandatory minimum 90-day prison sentence.


    The governor said a provision requiring a warning to those camping illegally strengthened the bill, and cited the discretion of prosecutors and judges.


    The leader of the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee, who had asked Lee to veto the legislation, said Thursday the group will be closely monitoring enforcement of the law and urged Tennesseans “to get out and vote like their rights depend on it.”


    “We are very disappointed in Governor Lee’s decision to sign this bill, which chills free speech, undermines criminal justice reform and fails to address the very issues of racial justice and police violence raised by the protesters who are being targeted,” ACLU of Tennessee Executive Director Hedy Weinberg said in a statement. “While the governor often speaks about sentencing reform, this bill contradicts those words and wastes valuable taxpayer funds to severely criminalize dissent.”


    Lawmakers advanced the bill amid nearly two months of frequent protests outside the Capitol. The mostly young Black activists who spearheaded the demonstration had been calling for racial justice reforms and for a meeting with Lee.


    The governor has declined to meet with them, but has met with a handful of Black leaders as part of a previous promise to address “racial reconciliation” and other racial justice issues.


    However, Lee and other lawmakers have defended the protest bill by pointing to a late May demonstration that resulted with some participants setting fires inside and outside a courthouse.


    “I think what we saw was a courthouse on fire and businesses being broken into and vehicles being damaged. We saw lawlessness that needed to be addressed immediately. And that was done so,” Lee told reporters Thursday when asked about the bill.


    The protest occurred as demonstrators across the country protested the death of George Floyd, a handcuffed black man who pleaded for air as a white Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee on his neck.


    Multiple demonstrations throughout Tennessee since then have remained overwhelmingly peaceful.
    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Portland police stand by as Proud Boys and far-right militias flash guns and brawl with antifa counterprotesters – As the brawls unfolded, Portland police officers remained at a distance.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...right-protest/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    The only people who use that term are alt-right people, so wtf are you trying to pull here.
    Nahhh. I use it too, and I lean way left to point someone will call me a socialist/communist from the right, so yeah. People should well follow up with actions if they really want to achieve their agenda. For example, I want police reform, instead of just complaining about it, I literally wrote a letter to the mayor of my town asking for it. It was even hand-written to hopefully give more of an affect. Companies have so much money, and they can do way more, but they only ever do virtue signalling. (Well, many times they do.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    I am LIVID at Tennessee right now:
    https://apnews.com/f465062c6eb6ab38c8df99b40f687fe4



    I think plain just didn't want to. And I don't blame her, wonderful as she is.

    I mean as sickening it is they'd try this, it's so absurdly against the first amendment, and various state voting laws, that I wouldn't sweat it. Especially given the legitimate things worth obscene action against.


    It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) how ridiculously illegal this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Md-Martin View Post
    I mean as sickening it is they'd try this, it's so absurdly against the first amendment, and various state voting laws, that I wouldn't sweat it. Especially given the legitimate things worth obscene action against.


    It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) how ridiculously illegal this is.
    It could still keep people from voting this year if the courts drag their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Md-Martin View Post
    I mean as sickening it is they'd try this, it's so absurdly against the first amendment, and various state voting laws, that I wouldn't sweat it. Especially given the legitimate things worth obscene action against.


    It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) how ridiculously illegal this is.
    Doesn't matter how ridiculous it is. It needs to be sorted out and fixed in less than two months. Just taking it to court and being overturned ain't enough.

    See also the destruction of the USPS, which is still going anyway despite promises of "oh no, of course I won't do that right now if affects the election, please don't sue me!"
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