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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    The more I question if this is time travel, the more I think it's not time travel. What would be the purpose of going hours, a day, week or month into the future? Without Kinemon and the other Scabbards? Or if Kinemon and the others were sent into the future, why? Are they not supposed to be part of whatever took place?
    Maybe it's like how Luffy scratched out the 3D on his arm and replaced it with 2Y, since the original, or shorter-term, plan wasn't going to cut it. Maybe even if she couldn't go there herself, Toki could see what would happen in the future and knew 20 years would be the safest place to send them and actually have access to the help they needed, which seems to be the case. If they only went one year into the future, they'd still stand no chance in hell against Kaido. But now with the pirate alliances jumping in, there is hope.

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    I know people have been theorising that O-Kiku is the traitor, and I have now come to believe that she is for the reasons following;

    1) Wano is locked out from the outside world, how did Kiku know that Jack had a maritime incident? No one has access to the outside world. This must mean that she must know this from being one of Kaido's underlings
    2) Okiku doesn't want to fight, but Zoro knows she is strong. The reason that Okiku didn't want to fight was because she didn't want to attack/kill her own members (Kaidos group) but got forced to do so by Zoro since Zoro said he wouldn't protect her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuburbanErrorist View Post
    I know people have been theorising that O-Kiku is the traitor, and I have now come to believe that she is for the reasons following;

    1) Wano is locked out from the outside world, how did Kiku know that Jack had a maritime incident? No one has access to the outside world. This must mean that she must know this from being one of Kaido's underlings
    2) Okiku doesn't want to fight, but Zoro knows she is strong. The reason that Okiku didn't want to fight was because she didn't want to attack/kill her own members (Kaidos group) but got forced to do so by Zoro since Zoro said he wouldn't protect her.
    1. Her purpose for remaining on Wano is literally to collect info on the Beast Pirates. So her knowing something like that isn't suspicious at all.

    2. She didn't want to fight because she wasn't trying to blow her cover, but in the end saving Tama is more important. After the alliance started to gather, she had no issue going to Udon to save Luffy, and freely attacked the guards there without second-guessing herself.

    3. I don't see how Kiku could possibly be aware that only Raizo made it to Zou, so the biggest strike against this theory.

    4. Back when the hidden message got leaked, Kiku was in the Udon wastelands with Chopper and co., so I don't see how she could've leaked that unbeknownst to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    1. Her purpose for remaining on Wano is literally to collect info on the Beast Pirates. So her knowing something like that isn't suspicious at all.

    2. She didn't want to fight because she wasn't trying to blow her cover, but in the end saving Tama is more important. After the alliance started to gather, she had no issue going to Udon to save Luffy, and freely attacked the guards there without second-guessing herself.

    3. I don't see how Kiku could possibly be aware that only Raizo made it to Zou, so the biggest strike against this theory.

    4. Back when the hidden message got leaked, Kiku was in the Udon wastelands with Chopper and co., so I don't see how she could've leaked that unbeknownst to anyone.
    Yei, she's suposedly been collecting info but she seemed to know who ShutenMaru was when Holdem said it, but never told Kin'emon about him, Kin'emon had to find out by himself.
    She aported no new allies that I can recall even tho she's been the longest in Wano.

    Doula Mongo(who was working for Kaidou) knew the Samurais and Momo by name, if Kiku knew Kin, Kan and Momo were at Dressrosa, then only Raizo could've been to Zou.

    And only the ones who time-traveled know who time-traveled, who else would've known Raizo Jumped 20 years besides the 4 Scabbies who did and Momo?, And obviously Toki.

    Even tho, even if they knew Raizo was at Zou, it remains a mystery how they actually reached the place without a vivre card.

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    A friend pointed me to this information. Apparently is something popular among youtube theorists, but I don't think I saw anyone mentioning it here at AP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

    Basically Kanjurou could be the traitor as a reference to Yamada Emosaku, a painter who supposedly was one of the rebels working under Amakusa Shiro (a name you must know from one of the thousand anime references he got) but was actually working for the Tokugawa Shogunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    A friend pointed me to this information. Apparently is something popular among youtube theorists, but I don't think I saw anyone mentioning it here at AP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

    Basically Kanjurou could be the traitor as a reference to Yamada Emosaku, a painter who supposedly was one of the rebels working under Amakusa Shiro (a name you must know from one of the thousand anime references he got) but was actually working for the Tokugawa Shogunate.
    Good theory. But the biggest problem with Kanjuro is he should had ample chances to snitch on Momo even before they left for Zou and nip the revolution in bud. His power after all is most convenient.

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    I think that it was Izo( division 16 commander of WB pirates) who was the original scabbard. He stayed back and never returned to Wano with Oden. O-kiku joined afterward.O-kiku calls Kinemon master( or sort of), which implies he is at least not in the same generation of Kinemon. All the others belong to roughly same age group.
    It increases his chance of being a spy set up by Orochi.
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”


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    If Lola was at Dressrosa and that's where Bege is going I wonder if they could cozy up with the royals or at least the dwarfs. The alliance with Luffy was public record unlike other occasion.

    I don't think the Roger crew design match well in the current OP. roger reminds me someone but I can't put my finger on it.

    I wonder if the 20 years thing is a way to introduce another member of the Roger crew. Like Scopper thatKishido mention quite often.

    Can't say I'm invested in the lost. I feel Oda jumping around is really hurting my ability to invest. I would probably love the sacrificial play more if it was cat instead of dog. Dog always felt bland to me.

    I love Kiku's attire. That's a samurai design.



    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    I think that it was Izo( division 16 commander of WB pirates) who was the original scabbard. He stayed back and never returned to Wano with Oden. O-kiku joined afterward.O-kiku calls Kinemon master( or sort of), which implies he is at least not in the same generation of Kinemon. All the others belong to roughly same age group.
    It increases his chance of being a spy set up by Orochi.
    That would make him absent during the coup and have a very tangentianal relation to the group. I'm not sure Izo would have much information to give since he wouldn't have been there when they were planning.

    Butr mostly I don't want another one of Whitebeard's guy turning out to be the villain.



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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    A friend pointed me to this information. Apparently is something popular among youtube theorists, but I don't think I saw anyone mentioning it here at AP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

    Basically Kanjurou could be the traitor as a reference to Yamada Emosaku, a painter who supposedly was one of the rebels working under Amakusa Shiro (a name you must know from one of the thousand anime references he got) but was actually working for the Tokugawa Shogunate.
    Still would make no sense, since kanjuro never gave any hint about wanting to betray his side. Oda only used him as gag so far because of his lack of drawing skill with his fruit, didn't really see anything about this personality, story. Even if he is was here longer then the wano samurais and raizou( ever since dressrosa) we know nothing about him.
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    Any character theorized to be a traitor is going to have flaws some more than others, and imo I think the traitor is going to be one of the Scabbards either Kanjuro or Kiku and I'm leaning more towards Kanjuro.

    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    That would make him absent during the coup and have a very tangentianal relation to the group. I'm not sure Izo would have much information to give since he wouldn't have been there when they were planning.

    Butr mostly I don't want another one of Whitebeard's guy turning out to be the villain.
    I don't think he meant Izo was the spy.
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    Enjoyed the Chapter for the most part. The jumping from the port to the capital seems oddly placed. Maybe the plans changed last minute? Capital clear skies to Onigashima's weather seems like it the batlle location might change? hmmmm
    Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

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    Totally between Kanjuro and Kiku indeed.

    Come to think whoever the traitor is, was responsible for the almost genocide of the entire population of Zou(elders and children included). That's way beyond redemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post

    That would make him absent during the coup and have a very tangentianal relation to the group. I'm not sure Izo would have much information to give since he wouldn't have been there when they were planning.

    Butr mostly I don't want another one of Whitebeard's guy turning out to be the villain.
    Eh!? I am saying O-kiku is the traitor and in the old pictures of the scabbards at their youth, it was Izo who was the original one. Most likely after Oden returned, Kinemon hired O-kiku as the new scabbard.
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”


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    I think the 20 years was odens own set plan for becoming the shogun and opening the borders
    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
    H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
    Spoiler:



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    Short chapter this week, but a pretty strong one for what it is. The Roger flashback was unexpected but appreciated, even if it was light on details that could be connected to the tantalizing reveals of the past couple weeks. And then we're on to Act Three!

    There's not a lot to say, since the chapter seems to mainly setting the scene and tone for the chapters to come, but the art is gorgeous, especially on the spread pages. I'm really looking forward to seeing the port in Hakumai in colour, when that version of the manga gets this far. Get all those maple leaves a warm orange and it's gonna be spectacular, not to mention the Great Wave style storm shot.

    Kinemon's cry for help was a really strong scene full of tangible desperation, and I can't help being scared from the lone boat Dogstorm is pulling up that the Scabbards are going to try to reach Onigashima alone. I have an odd feeling that some or all of them might not make it through this fight, that they'll be allowed to fade back into the past as the ghosts they claim to be. Normally I'd be the first to say that's way too dark and somber for Oda, but after Yasuie's death, I'm not as sure. It's still a ballsy prediction, I know, but I'd love to see Oda commit a little harder to those kinds of stakes as the series builds towards its climax.

    I'm about 50/50 on the destruction of the port being an actual enemy attack and it being a ruse to throw the enemy off at the minute. Leaning towards a genuine attack though; the crew's had a lot of lucky breaks in Wano already, and it's about time for things to start seriously going wrong. We'll see how we go two weeks from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    Eh!? I am saying O-kiku is the traitor and in the old pictures of the scabbards at their youth, it was Izo who was the original one. Most likely after Oden returned, Kinemon hired O-kiku as the new scabbard.
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWitch View Post

    I don't think he meant Izo was the spy.
    Sorry I misunderstood.



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    If kyoshiro is denjiro then he would work much better as the traitor then kanjuro/shinobu. Also to show the result of beast pirates/ orochi breaking the will of scabbards with their torture and making him the loyal dog of orochi. And maybe momonosuke/komurasaki will convince him to join them again.

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    Going by the official translation, it is clear that they visited Udon first.But I thought they were to meet in the port directly?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    If kyoshiro is denjiro then he would work much better as the traitor then kanjuro/shinobu. Also to show the result of beast pirates/ orochi breaking the will of scabbards with their torture and making him the loyal dog of orochi. And maybe momonosuke/komurasaki will convince him to join them again.
    He faked real Hiyori's death. That's anything but a broken will....
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”


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    I'm not particularly interested in the ideas it could be time shenanigans or it being a trick to out the traitor. It could always be as simple as Orochi ordering communications across Wano to be blocked for the duration of the festival. Snails in Wano need that "boss snail" to direct calls through first, so surely Orochi can just order them all to be shut down for a bit. Just tell Kaido about the prison and the harbor, then shut down communications and you're gold. King could've flew to Udon and Queen bomb the harbor or vice versa. It'll screw them later when a ton of action happens on the mainland and nobody at the party can hear about it, but that's how it always works. The foreshadowing with the full moon is too obvious that some battles will happen at the capital tonight now. Probably all we'll get out of Sulong in this arc, as Kaido and Big Mom will probably ruin the weather and block out the moon once they're active.

    To theorize the different alliance groups at the moment... Hyo's group in the prison mine are the most potentially captured. Just not totally sure how or who'd even catch the attack on the prison coming before it arrived. Hyo getting locked up at the capital could be what sets some fights to happen there. Caribou probably escaped at minimum and maybe has some soldiers inside him, but this is the group most likely to have been actually hit hard (but that's still not a large likely).

    Franky, Ussop (nobody seems to remember he was here), and the ship repair group would be a very good opportunity to give Ussop a moment and have his observation haki catch the attack coming and direct an evacuation. That's probably just a strong hope though, and someone will pull themselves out of the rubble next week and explain what happened to the scabbards.

    The rest of the Strawhats and the Minks group, likely just got sidetracked or are running late. The Minks must have their own ship they arrived at Wano on somewhere, so that's likely where the Musketeers and the Mink army went instead of following the scabbards. Where that is, no idea, but if it's anywhere convenient then they're probably trying to travel with/escort the strawhats. Neko showing up and regrouping with them could also be something that's delaying them.

    And then the Yakuza leaders with their own soldiers are probably just hunkered down somewhere and freaking out over communications being down. It's always possible Orochi got enough intel to send attacks on all of them, but I'm going to guess he just focused on the Prison and the Harbor. "The rest will be easy pickings after the party" like they always think.

    Law's gone rogue, so no use thinking about that one and his crew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    Going by the official translation, it is clear that they visited Udon first.But I thought they were to meet in the port directly?!

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    He faked real Hiyori's death. That's anything but a broken will....
    Maybe there was still some will left in there and could not do it, internal struggle. But I remember people predicted that hiyori has some kind of fruit power that heals her.

    Or she used the same toad oil to heal like she did for zoro. and since zoro doesn't even have scar anymore a few days later, then toad oil does the job.

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    So they mentioned a full moon tonight.

    Hmmm....

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