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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    Koby is the one quite off about Akainu being behind SWORD, I mean, if not for Shanks, Koby would've been turned into another donut ace.
    Maybe he doesn't know.

    Drake is the captain of Sword so the others probably report to him.

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    So my guess is the WG is framing Sabo for the Alabasta incident (Cobra's assassination?) while at the same time announcing his execution / Kumafication? That would explain the slightly different reaction of [Dadan/Makino/Koala] and [Dragon/Ivankov].


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    So my guess is the WG is framing Sabo for the Alabasta incident (Cobra's assassination?) while at the same time announcing his execution / Kumafication? That would explain the slightly different reaction of [Dadan/Makino/Koala] and [Dragon/Ivankov].
    But why would they announce his Kumafication? As his 'punishment,' or to prove a point? It's possible.

    It's not like he's a lynch pin in Vegapunk's new tech though. And I guess the PX's could be commonly know now, or known enough, since they were televised at the Paramount War and it's been over two years since then. Still, though, I doubt random citizens of random Islands in the Blue Seas are intimately familiar with what the PX's are, so I don't see why Sabo's Kumafication would mean anything to them, unless it was their reaction to a Revolutionary commander getting their 'just desserts.'

    It could line up for Dadan/Makino reactions, but I don't see it for Koala, or in regards to why the World Government would do it in the first place. To let the Revolutionaries know that one of their commanders got fuked up? Could be. But if he got Kumafied, the Revolutionaries would have specifically commented on it, since that's why Sabo and co. were at the Reverie in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    So my guess is the WG is framing Sabo for the Alabasta incident (Cobra's assassination?) while at the same time announcing his execution / Kumafication? That would explain the slightly different reaction of [Dadan/Makino/Koala] and [Dragon/Ivankov].
    Makes no sense to me, at least Dragon and Koala know Sabo very well to assume news like that would be bullshit, and none would react like that.
    Besides, this guy(uh) his step-brother says Sabo was at Mariejoa while according to Garp the Alabasta incident, happened right there in Alabasta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    I mean, I know there's plenty of stuff we don't know about Teach, but that would be along with assuming that; Teach knows about Pluton and Teach has no problem going all the way back to Alabasta.
    In the volume 82 and 88 SBSes Oda stated that Teach has an interest in history and archaeology, so it's possible that he knows about Pluton. It has to make an appearance in the series fairly soon anyway, and given the fact that Blackbeard is likely to be the final enemy Luffy faces, combined with the fact that he uses the Yami Yami no Mi, I fully expect the ancient weapon named after a god of death to fall into his hands somehow.

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    Are people joking or what? Pluton does not exist in Alabasta. There is a poneglyph which talks about it in Alabasta. The location was never specified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    In the volume 82 and 88 SBSes Oda stated that Teach has an interest in history and archaeology, so it's possible that he knows about Pluton. It has to make an appearance in the series fairly soon anyway, and given the fact that Blackbeard is likely to be the final enemy Luffy faces, combined with the fact that he uses the Yami Yami no Mi, I fully expect the ancient weapon named after a god of death to fall into his hands somehow.
    Wot, Pluton is not the god of death tho.

    Still, Teach and his crew are much more known for being DF hunters rather than Ancient Weapon seekers. And Mariejoa is way closer than Alabasta.
    Getting the Mera Mera is just go and grab. Pluton I imagine would require to first locate it in the vast country of Alabasta, that really is a much complicated task. Besides if Teach knew about it, it would make no sense for him for not going to take it earlier in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai D. Ou View Post
    Are people joking or what? Pluton does not exist in Alabasta. There is a poneglyph which talks about it in Alabasta. The location was never specified.
    We don't know really, all we know is Robin lied to Croco about it. That it.

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    What does "If the Navy is only going to take it" mean... What is "only taking" something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    Someone in the other thread pointed out that Akainu has a sword tattoo, possibly suggesting that Sword exists as a way for Akainu to recruit marines loyal to him and spy on the World Government.
    I'm more partial to the idea that Sword arefor those with a personal stake in the pirate world. And Akinu was part of it because his family was pirates or something close to that and that's why he has such hate for them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    How do we know that he hasn't?


    By process of elimination I'm assuming he means Pluton.
    In 907, he tells Kizaru to hold off on going to Wano due to having no idea how strong the Wano forces are. Drake has been a part of Kaido's crew for quite some time, even achieving a high ranking position within the crew. If him and Akainu were alligned, why would Akainu have no knowledge of something as simple as that? Even Robin with her limited time in Wano was able to obtain info on their forces, so it's not like it's a time issue either. I don't believe it's something worth lying about to a fellow admiral either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    He already did. Kizaru asked Akainu to let him go right afterwards.
    I'm talking about Akainu, not Kizaru. He told Kizaru to hold off on going to Wano due to a lack of info, among other reasons.

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    I'm talking about Akainu, not Kizaru. He told Kizaru to hold off on going to Wano due to a lack of info, among other reasons.
    uhmm, come to think if Kizaru is the one behind SWORD then. he seems anxious to invade a nation non aligned with the WG and knows he needs Akainu's permission to do so.

    he even pretended to kick Drake in the face

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    Quote Originally Posted by krule274 View Post
    But why would they announce his Kumafication? As his 'punishment,' or to prove a point? It's possible.

    It's not like he's a lynch pin in Vegapunk's new tech though. And I guess the PX's could be commonly know now, or known enough, since they were televised at the Paramount War and it's been over two years since then. Still, though, I doubt random citizens of random Islands in the Blue Seas are intimately familiar with what the PX's are, so I don't see why Sabo's Kumafication would mean anything to them, unless it was their reaction to a Revolutionary commander getting their 'just desserts.'

    It could line up for Dadan/Makino reactions, but I don't see it for Koala, or in regards to why the World Government would do it in the first place. To let the Revolutionaries know that one of their commanders got fuked up? Could be. But if he got Kumafied, the Revolutionaries would have specifically commented on it, since that's why Sabo and co. were at the Reverie in the first place.
    The Government now has the tools to turn people into Terminators, and these Terminators can even keep their fruit powers. Now considering how they recently highlighted Kuma's fate as a deterrence for the rulers of the world? It would be super plausible to follow up on that front.
    Kumafication as the new special punishment for top ranking revolutionaries, since banishing them to Impel Down serves no purpose when you really want to send a message to the enemies of the Government - not just criminals.

    Who knows, maybe that's even the replacement for the Shichibukai. First you fire the Warlords, then you capture the Warlords, and finally you turn them into obedient killing machines. The new secret weapon replacing the Warlords are... Warlords! Well, Mecha-Warlords. But it's still fresh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito
    Makes no sense to me, at least Dragon and Koala know Sabo very well to assume news like that would be bullshit, and none would react like that.
    Besides, this guy(uh) his step-brother says Sabo was at Mariejoa while according to Garp the Alabasta incident, happened right there in Alabasta.
    Okay, as far as I see it the following conditions have to be met:

    1. The news contain information about Sabo's well-being, nothing else would concern Dadan, Makino and Koala to this level.

    2. Sabo did something outrageous, but no matter how bad of an act it was, it's not totally unbelievable.

    3. The news was regarding the Kingdom of Alabasta, doesn't mean the incident had to happen there.


    Now, a possible story:

    - The Revolutionaries clashed with the Admirals Green Bull and Purple Tiger - and lost. Sabo is captured, soon to be executed / Kumafied.

    - The attack on Marie Gois happened right after Neptune and Shirahoshi left. As noted, the Marines took care of the incident, but King Cobra died in the crossfire (this is being blamed on Sabo, despite it being an assassination by the Government). Ivankov and Dragon can't believe that Sabo would be careless enough to endanger civilians, but on the other hand who knows how it played out? Clashing with two Admirals means clashing with two Admirals.
    Whatever the case, this story would be terrible news for the Revolutionaries regardless of what really happened, as they rely on turning Kingdoms to their side.


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    Blackbeard is reacting to the news like everyone else, so unless Morgans printed the freaking location of an ancient weapon on the front page of his newspaper, he can't possibly be talking about Pluton.

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    Okay, as far as I see it the following conditions have to be met:

    1. The news contain information about Sabo's well-being, nothing else would concern Dadan, Makino and Koala to this level.
    I quite don't get this part as what may refer to Sabo's well-being.
    however Dadan, Makino and Koala are not concerned, but crying out loud more especifically.

    2. Sabo did something outrageous, but no matter how bad of an act it was, it's not totally unbelievable.
    yeah, dying.
    3. The news was regarding the Kingdom of Alabasta, doesn't mean the incident had to happen there.
    The way Garp words it, 'The Alabasta incident', already points out more clearly to the nation of Alabasta, with zero indication that it could have happened in Mariejois, otherwise, it could´ve been worded as the 'Nefertari Family' incident or similar. as far as we know, whatever happened in Alabasta could have been something purposely done while the crown family wasn´t home, after all that was said just one week after the Levely and Alabasta is quite far away.

    - The Revolutionaries clashed with the Admirals Green Bull and Purple Tiger - and lost. Sabo is captured, soon to be executed / Kumafied.

    - The attack on Marie Gois happened right after Neptune and Shirahoshi left. As noted, the Marines took care of the incident, but King Cobra died in the crossfire (this is being blamed on Sabo, despite it being an assassination by the Government). Ivankov and Dragon can't believe that Sabo would be careless enough to endanger civilians, but on the other hand who knows how it played out? Clashing with two Admirals means clashing with two Admirals.
    Whatever the case, this story would be terrible news for the Revolutionaries regardless of what really happened, as they rely on turning Kingdoms to their side.
    I don't know, too much diving into possibilities, I suppose we'll get clarification by Morley and Bonney who were present there.
    or even greater confirmation by Burguess showing up with the Mera Mera powers

    also, according to Morgans, we have a death and an assassination attempt(attempt implies failure). but still two different incidents apparently.

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    The thing I find the most confusing in the chapter really is: if the Marines were short on people to do everything they had to do in that moment, how the hell they actually felt like letting Garp, of all people, just leisurely stay at Mary Geoise to act as a fancy escort to the Ryugu Family, of all people˛ (their island is literally just below Mary Geoise. It's not like they even needed to cross seas, they just needed to dive on a straight line down)?

    You would think when the Marines have to deal with 4 Shichibukai at once plus whatever else is going on, Garp would definitely be a precious force much better fit to deal with any of those than, well... Koby! I mean, if it turns they didn't sent at least one admiral to deal with Weevil, I don't know what they were thinking.

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    The thing I find the most confusing in the chapter really is: if the Marines were short on people to do everything they had to do in that moment, how the hell they actually felt like letting Garp, of all people, just leisurely stay at Mary Geoise to act as a fancy escort to the Ryugu Family, of all people˛ (their island is literally just below Mary Geoise. It's not like they even needed to cross seas, they just needed to dive on a straight line down)?

    You would think when the Marines have to deal with 4 Shichibukai at once plus whatever else is going on, Garp would definitely be a precious force much better fit to deal with any of those than, well... Koby! I mean, if it turns they didn't sent at least one admiral to deal with Weevil, I don't know what they were thinking.
    Maybe they're doing something more important in Alabasta or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    Maybe they're doing something more important in Alabasta or something
    That's where the timestamp confuses me. Whatever happened in/regarding Alabasta seem to have taken place days after the Shichibukai incident since the report just came after Garp left to FI (and it doesn't take long to get there), so none of the Admirals should be busy with that at least - although they apparently had other things to worry judging by what Koby said and assuming he wasn't meaning just dealing with all the Shichibukai at the same time.

    The 1 week gap between the end of the Reverie and Garp arriving at FI also doesn't help because it seems like Garp spent one week idle up there when supposedly the Marines were demanding every force they had to deal with their current affairs.

    Of course, we also have the RA commanders to take into consideration, and the whole going back and forward in time confuses me again. When exactly does most events in this chapter take place compared to the day Teach mentioned the RA fighting the Admirals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    Of course, we also have the RA commanders to take into consideration and the whole going back and forward in time confuses me. When exactly does the most events in this chapter take place compared to the day Teach mentioned the RA fighting the Admirals?
    That was on the fourth day of Reverie so it should be completely unrelated to the stuff in this chapter.

    Also Stelly only realized now that Sabo was in Marie Jois so it was probably not in front of everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    I quite don't get this part as what may refer to Sabo's well-being.
    however Dadan, Makino and Koala are not concerned, but crying out loud more especifically.
    Exactly, only Sabo's condition would trigger such a reaction. They are not concerned about the thing he did, they are shattered because he is dead or soon to be dead.



    yeah, dying.
    Possible, but as was noted in the spoiler thread, one would think that the Revos have vivre cards stored for each member, thus they would know that Sabo is dead or alive, no need to confirm anything.


    The way Garp words it, 'The Alabasta incident', already points out more clearly to the nation of Alabasta, with zero indication that it could have happened in Mariejois, otherwise, it could´ve been worded as the 'Nefertari Family' incident or similar.
    Garps exact words are "The incident is regarding the Kingdom of Alabasta".

    If something would happen to Angela Merkel then that's an incident that would regard the Federal Republic of Germany, no matter where it happened.
    Maybe it's as you say and something did happen in Alabasta, but it's not clear as far as I can tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco.
    You would think when the Marines have to deal with 4 Shichibukai at once plus whatever else is going on, Garp would definitely be a precious force much better fit to deal with any of those than, well... Koby! I mean, if it turns they didn't sent at least one admiral to deal with Weevil, I don't know what they were thinking.
    Well, Garp is technically not an active Marine anymore? Like he was okay with a somewhat representative position, but that's it? More babysitting royals, less beating up Yonkou.

    But yeah, it's certainly weird. I feel especially bad for Mihawk's squad, because he's going to kill them all. Same with Weevil, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    That was on the fourth day of Reverie so it should be completely unrelated to the stuff in this chapter.

    Also Stelly only realized now that Sabo was in Marie Jois so it was probably not in front of everyone.
    Thank you, so that also rules out the Marines having to deal with the RA commanders as well at the same time as with the Shichibukai (the RA matter was settled a few days before the Shichibukai fights while the Alabasta "thing" only happened a few days after).
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