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    Oh yea, are we really thinking Franky is building for 100,000 ships? I know it's the official release, but that can't be right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    Oh yea, are we really thinking Franky is building for 100,000 ships? I know it's the official release, but that can't be right...
    Not ships, capacity for people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajinArekkusu View Post
    Not ships, capacity for people.
    Oops, I meant to say people, my bad. But yea, 100,000 people doesn't sound right...

    EDIT: Only thing I can think of to fill that number is for everyone in Wano to board those ships. Which may not be impossible, depending on who Oda wants present for when Kaido is inevitably defeated.

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    They will need those ships when Green Bull & Friends proceed to bustercall the Island.


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    It's definitely not a translation mistake. It's 100.000. This rules out the possibility of the grand fleet arriving at the night of the fire festival, because the implication here is that the 100.000 will gather before the ships set sail. and the condition is for them to be on those ships during the raid. From a timframe standpoint, there's no way the Grand fleet can show up in that short amount of time. Though, the Grand fleet may still come to Wano at some point (they probably won't enter the actual island but provide support against the invading outside forces).

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    This chapter ends the second act of Wano, so I should leave my thoughts on the story up to this point.

    If Oda suddenly appeared in front of me a year ago telling me his ideas for Wano and showing me all his notebooks, I would be completely excited about almost everything. The story is pretty good overall, the characters from Wano are all interesting, and it's really cool that the alliance had to perform all these logistical tasks in order to fight Kaidou: recruiting people, finding weapons, finding the blueprint of Kaidou's mansion and some other stuff. Not to mention the natural hype of going against Kaidou, a super powerful Yonkou that is behind other interesting parties like Orochi and his subordinates.

    Nonetheless, as much as I can praise the story itself, the actual writing was really disappointing to me. Most of the most relevant subplots were completely rushed, not to mention the ones that basically happened offscreen.

    Let's just think about Shutenmaru for a second. This character was introduced in the story burdening a conflict against his comrades that disappeared 20 years ago, which is a sentiment that have a lot of potential for good storytelling. However, this entire subplot happened in the dark, with a few pages scattered across many different chapters only to explain the offscreen facts that convinced Shutenmaru to accept Kinnemon again. So what's the point, really? Why should we have this subplot at all if it's just gonna happen offscreen? Oda should have erased this conflict from the story and made Shutenmaru join the alliance from the beginning... or else actually show it.

    This may be only one example, but that's my feeling for most of the second act. For example, maybe the most important event that happened was Yusuie's death, which was done fairly well, but the story didn't care at all to introduce him properly before his grandiose execution. He first appeared out of nowhere with Zoro in a scene that consisted of Yasu recalling how they met, which is a shitty way to spare Oda of the trouble of actually showing their first meeting. But that's not the only problem, since we barely spent any time with him after that. Yasuie's only character trait was his constant laughter despite his misery, and yet this behavior was also shared by all citizens from Ebisu Town. And then suddenly Oda decides to show us in one chapter that Yasu is a super loved guy by the people of his town and in the next he is suddenly being crucified by Orochi... what? That escalated far too quickly, and so the death that was supposed to be a meaningful moment lost half of its emotional impact because Yasu was nobody to the readers.

    The funny thing is that Yasuie is from the Shimotsuki family, the same people that made Zoro's Wado Ichimonji (and now Enma), a family possibly related to Koushiro and Kuina, and even Ryuuma was a Shimotsuki. So just imagine how much Yasu could have talked about with Zoro when they first met! All these details that could have made him feel more like a real character.

    Meanwhile all these meaningful subplots poorly handled (especially the ones with the Strawhats), we have Luffy defeating all of Udon's goons one after the other. Remember when I said at the beginning that I would be excited about almost everything? Well, there is a subplot that I actually detest, and that's the Udon subplot. Honestly, I don't have the energy right now to show my hate for this prison and everything that happened there, but it's insane how much time we spent there watching that disaster unfold while the good stuff outside was being rushed.

    I'm still hyped about the next acts, but I'm not really happy about the last 30 chapters.
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    I'm really convinced that the beef between Law and Shinobu is gon be used to dramatize about the actual traitor.

    Say the guy who freed Law told him about a snitch along their lines, Law's been probably trying to figure who that is.
    Once he does, he comes and attacks *instert traitor being cut into pieces by Law*
    And Shinobu instantly going all out; I knew it!!! You're a dick!!

    Then Law calmly explains he attacked X person for betraying the alliance.
    Whom I still believe is probably O-kiku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    So Franky is actually readying to carry 100,000 people instead of 10,000???

    And I don't know if I missed the information on the fan translations, but I am glad Zoro mentioned he never used Sunacchi. The fact it came out of nowhere despite he never using it was something that always bothered me whenever the word was brought up.
    Well part of sunnachi is surrender your name

    Zoro wanted his name to reach the heavens

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    Also franky saying he wants ships for 100,000 is his super attittude. Stephen himself points put the discourse about what makes more sense, is meaningless because its a gag
    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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    Emma makes me think of the guy from dragonball. I prefer Shushui aesthetic and name but Enma does offer a more interesting avenue for Zoro since every swing with it is basically training.

    I am now hoping that Law and Kidd have met and we'll get to see some interaction between them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    Because at the banquet he kept going off about how they would return according to the prophecy and whatnot. That's not how he would talk if he knew for a fact they are back. I guess he could have learnt that info since, but he definitely couldn't have known when Jack attacked Zou.
    Well, when Jack attacked Zou, the one who had the information was Kaidou (because his crew spotted Kinnemon and cia leaving the island), not the traitor. We don't know exactly how much information Orochi and Kaidou share between themselves, because maybe they don't get along very well, so maybe that's why Orochi didn't have proof of the scabbards being back. Actually, even if he already knew everything, he could still be talking about the prophecy and whatever else because he believes in it.

    We don't know when this traitor started to feed Orochi with information, or who he is, so we don't know what Orochi knows for sure, but there is no need to assume that Orochi still doesn't know about the scabbards... even more so because Orochi would probably guess that the scabbards were responsible for the rebellion because of the prophecy.

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    Finally! The end of Act Two! Things are really picking up now, and what an excellent chapter to end on. My only real complaint about the series at the minute has nothing to do with the chapter at all, it's just the way they teased the volume 84 cover in Jump but didn't follow it up with the full reveal on the official website like they normally do after it makes it into the magazine. Where's the cover, Shueisha? You're killing me over here.

    The alliance feels 90% ready to go to Onigashima by this point. The army is gathered, the heavy hitters have new toys to play with, the prophecy seems close to fulfilled and everyone's out of the enemy's line of sight (at least until the last page). The only loose end is the samurai imprisoned in the capitol, but I don't think they're likely to stay there long. If I was a betting man I'd say when we cut back for Act Three it'll begin in medias res with an operation to break them out on the evening of the raid, just in time to join the fight. But of course, we're a bit too ready for action right now. The raid is going to go wrong hard and fast after the action starts, because that's just how stories go. Right now, there's not any real sense of tension (anticipation, certainly, because this is going to be a spectacular set piece, but our guys don't feel like they're in real danger going into it) and we haven't yet had our darkest hour.

    Franky anticipating such a huge number of soldiers obviously indicates surprise reinforcements at a critical moment, but I don't think it'll be the Grand Fleet, despite Oda's recent comments. I'm still pretty sure their big moment will have something to do with the Reverie rather than Luffy personally, but we'll see. Catviper's arrival, Marco showing up, turncoats from Orochi's people who decide they'd rather support the old dynasty or a full uprising from the commonfolk are more likely to fill those extra ships in my opinion.

    Carrot made her first appearance in a while, and to be honest I'm underwhelmed. Getting ready to fight in front of Pedro's grave should be a huge emotional moment, but what's with that expression. She looks so neutral. Not sad. Not particularly determined. There's just not much of anything to read into that face. The march of the red scabbards on the previous page, however, is a beautiful and powerful moment. It's been nearly seven years since Kinemon and the samurai subplot were first introduced, and now it's all coming to a conclusion. The final pages of the chapter make it clear the result of this battle is going to a turning point for the One Piece universe, but really it's a turning point for the manga as well. Almost a decade we've been building to this conflict, so the series can't possibly be the same after it's done.

    Law being shown after Orochi gets intel from the traitor is an obvious red herring. I'm inclined to stand by the theories saying its Kanjuro. Just based on who knows what about the plan and what information has been leaked recently and in the past, he makes the most sense. I'm sure he'll have his reasons/redemption arc though.

    A final note: funny how it hasn't been explicitly stated yet that Komurasaki and Hyori are the same person. You would almost think there's something to that, but we see in the last page here that Hyori has taken the place of Komurasaki playing the act out. Oda's obviously not trying to hide that they're the same person, so maybe he just thinks its so obvious it doesn't need to be stated. Still, a throwaway "I disguised myself as a courteasan all those years" would be nice just to get it all swept away. Unless there's another twist coming, like Komurasaki is just faking being Hyori or something. I'm probably overthinking things.

    Very excited for next week. I'm guessing the intermission will be at most a single chapter, same as last time. I've said elsewhere I don't think we'll be shown the Reverie directly, we'll only get hints of it through newspapers and tangentially related characters hearing news. It's going to be the ultimate long-haul tease until Wano is over and done with.

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    I don't know what it is about this arc that's keeping me from loving it. I really like it and I don't hate any character, but something isn't clicking with me. Hope Act Three draws me back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    This chapter ends the second act of Wano, so I should leave my thoughts on the story up to this point.

    If Oda suddenly appeared in front of me a year ago telling me his ideas for Wano and showing me all his notebooks, I would be completely excited about almost everything. The story is pretty good overall, the characters from Wano are all interesting, and it's really cool that the alliance had to perform all these logistical tasks in order to fight Kaidou: recruiting people, finding weapons, finding the blueprint of Kaidou's mansion and some other stuff. Not to mention the natural hype of going against Kaidou, a super powerful Yonkou that is behind other interesting parties like Orochi and his subordinates.

    Nonetheless, as much as I can praise the story itself, the actual writing was really disappointing to me. Most of the most relevant subplots were completely rushed, not to mention the ones that basically happened offscreen.

    Let's just think about Shutenmaru for a second. This character was introduced in the story burdening a conflict against his comrades that disappeared 20 years ago, which is a sentiment that have a lot of potential for good storytelling. However, this entire subplot happened in the dark, with a few pages scattered across many different chapters only to explain the offscreen facts that convinced Shutenmaru to accept Kinnemon again. So what's the point, really? Why should we have this subplot at all if it's just gonna happen offscreen? Oda should have erased this conflict from the story and made Shutenmaru join the alliance from the beginning... or else actually show it.

    This may be only one example, but that's my feeling for most of the second act. For example, maybe the most important event that happened was Yusuie's death, which was done fairly well, but the story didn't care at all to introduce him properly before his grandiose execution. He first appeared out of nowhere with Zoro in a scene that consisted of Yasu recalling how they met, which is a shitty way to spare Oda of the trouble of actually showing their first meeting. But that's not the only problem, since we barely spent any time with him after that. Yasuie's only character trait was his constant laughter despite his misery, and yet this behavior was also shared by all citizens from Ebisu Town. And then suddenly Oda decides to show us in one chapter that Yasu is a super loved guy by the people of his town and in the next he is suddenly being crucified by Orochi... what? That escalated far too quickly, and so the death that was supposed to be a meaningful moment lost half of its emotional impact because Yasu was nobody to the readers.

    The funny thing is that Yasuie is from the Shimotsuki family, the same people that made Zoro's Wado Ichimonji (and now Enma), a family possibly related to Koushiro and Kuina, and even Ryuuma was a Shimotsuki. So just imagine how much Yasu could have talked about with Zoro when they first met! All these details that could have made him feel more like a real character.

    Meanwhile all these meaningful subplots poorly handled (especially the ones with the Strawhats), we have Luffy defeating all of Udon's goons one after the other. Remember when I said at the beginning that I would be excited about almost everything? Well, there is a subplot that I actually detest, and that's the Udon subplot. Honestly, I don't have the energy right now to show my hate for this prison and everything that happened there, but it's insane how much time we spent there watching that disaster unfold while the good stuff outside was being rushed.

    I'm still hyped about the next acts, but I'm not really happy about the last 30 chapters.
    Totally with you on this. I genuinely think Oda should take another 1~2 break after Wano ends like he did for the timeskip. I think the writing would benefit a lot from Oda soft-resetting (actually, every mangaka should take a month break every year. It's ridiculous when you think those people publish for years non-stop without ever having the right to vacations).

    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    Emma makes me think of the guy from dragonball.
    Not a coincidence, Enma is the ruler of "hells" in Budhism. You remember his representation in Dragon Ball, he was also there in Yu Yu Hakusho as Koenma's (literally "Little Enma" or "Enma Jr.") father. Budhism being a popular religion in Japan, Enma is a very common reference/presence in anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    Totally with you on this. I genuinely think Oda should take another 1~2 break after Wano ends like he did for the timeskip. I think the writing would benefit a lot from Oda soft-resetting (actually, every mangaka should take a month break every year. It's ridiculous when you think those people publish for years non-stop without ever having the right to vacations).
    I actually think the reason the arc is so weird is because it's Japon. It is dreched in many aspects that I believe would connect with his compatriots but not so much to people outside the culture. He's not failing at being classic Oda he's to be different to truly get the feel of his culture and things that appeal to him.


    Not a coincidence, Enma is the ruler of "hells" in Budhism. You remember his representation in Dragon Ball, he was also there in Yu Yu Hakusho as Koenma's (literally "Little Enma" or "Enma Jr.") father. Budhism being a popular religion in Japan, Enma is a very common reference/presence in anime.
    I knew Enma was connected to the afterlife and Toriyama didn't invent him but I didn't know he was connected to hells specifically(or that there's several). Is the other sword name connecte to a heaven ruler or something similar?



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    If forging a blade black can increase its rank, then what is the rank of a Supreme Grade blade (like Whitebeard's Murakomugiri for example) after it's forged black?
    Would it basically be considered Supreme Grade "plus" or would that create an entirely new rank that doesn't officialy exist yet (which would contradict the term "supreme" though) because either no one has ever achieved this feat yet or it happened only very recently compared to when this grade system was first established, potentially hundreds of years ago?

    I bring this up because I wonder what grade Mihawk's sword Yoru was before he forged it black, Great or Supreme?
    I'd like to think the latter is true. After all he is the strongest swordsman in the world, it would be appropriate for him to have the strongest blade. And according to him, that is indeed the case.
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    A few more random questions out of many:

    Regarding Shimotsuki Kozaburo, was he also the one who brought Sandai Kitetsu to the East Blue? If so, how and why? Was it taken from Hitetsu or did he give it away voluntarily? And how exactly did it end up in Ipponmatsu's shop? Is he also a descendant from Wano?

    Now that it's almost confirmed that Koshiro and Kuina are Shimotsuki's, are we going to find out that Tashigi is one as well and that's why she looks like Kuina?

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    I think this next act might reveal more about cursed blades, Kokeshi dolls, PG, each clan's importance, etc as they dig deeper into Wano lore. We learned a bit about black blades and graded swords. Zoro tested his luck against Sandai and he won. Maybe Nidai is a whole different monster. When Luffy took it, Kaido almost killed half the crew and he ended up in Udon after a big L. Keep in mind that Luffy's luck is supposed to be top tier in the series. Maybe Luffy getting Nidai served that purpose as well

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    The biggest and most critical problem with this arc is simply that Oda bit more than he could chew building it up. This is an arc that culminates half of a saga; a quarter of the entire series ends here. And it's obvious that he's being rushed through it -- be it from outside sources or himself (as well he should be; OP can't last another decade). He's introduced so many main and secondary and tertiary and background characters for it that they're overflowing and it's impossible to give them a satisfying story with the allotted time they get. Just think of characters like Kanjuro.. has that guy said more than 3 words this whole arc?

    This next lil "act" is gonna be either the best thing OP has had or the biggest trainwreck yet. No middle sliders here.

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    Chapter comparisons to close out Act 2.
    • In the cover story, both scanlations say that Bege's crew is getting supplies (which I guess could potentially imply weapons or something to fight their way over the Red Line), while in the official translation, they're stocking up on food specifically.
    • All three versions have the group that's rejoicing about Hiyori's survival note that knowing that Kawamatsu was captured had led them to assume the worst about what happened to her, but the official version elaborates a little more by having them say they "dared not ask" of her fate.
    • In Jaimini's Box, Momo describes Hiyori as a "weak" crybaby, but in Mangastream and VIZ, he says she's "a softie"/"at her core she is soft".
    • In JB, Kiku says she retrieved Kitetsu II from Luffy in Udon, while in MS and VIZ, she says it was confiscated from him there. Also, in the scanlations, Zoro said he knew that sword was a meito/famous sword, while in the official version, he says he knew it was a "named" sword. (Not really a big fan of this translation choice since they're not the same thing; there are named swords in One Piece that are not famous swords, e.g. Law's Kikoku.)
    • MS mistranslates the amount of people that Franky wants to be able to carry as 10,000. JB and VIZ get it right with 100,000, making it an even more clear overestimation. Also, JB says that Zoro picked up "Sunacchi" from the "geezers" (plural) in his village, which makes it sound like it's something he really says, while MS and VIZ have him say "old guy" (singular, as in, probably Kozaburo from Wano), and he explicitly states he's never said it himself before.
    • When Luffy tells Kin'emon not to get found/captured/spotted, Kin's reply is a little different in each version. In MS, he says they've "been on edge about this for weeks", in JB, says they'll "be on high alert", and in VIZ, that they've "been scouting it out".
    • When talking to Zoro about Enma, in MS, Hitetsu says the rather random-sounding line "Magic swords and reasoning are one and the same." In JB and VIZ, it's clearer that he's comparing Kitetsu III (a sword he made, which is cursed) with what Enma does, and that neither can be wielded by someone who's weak. Also, MS gets Kozaburo's name wrong, calling him "Yusaburo" (which completely ruins what Sandman pointed out in the previous thread about how "zabu" means 3 and "shi" means 4, and so yet another hint that Koshiro is descended from someone from Wano), lulz.
    • Orochi's words in the scanlations make it sound like he knows Udon has been taken over, and so immediately realizes that the report from Udon is a lie. However, the official translation instead seems to suggest that Orochi believes the report he hears about Udon being fine and thinks his informant was mistaken about it being taken over. Also, in JB he knows that Hiyori is in the "northern graveyard" (which would suggest his informant is someone who knows right where she is), while in MS and VIZ, he just knows she's "somewhere in the north", which actually widens the possibilities of who this informant could be since it seems it's someone who doesn't know exactly where she is.
    • One recurring problem that Mangastream has had is reversing the name order of non-main characters. They'll keep the Japanese name order (surname first, then given name) of people like Monkey D. Luffy or Roronoa Zoro, but then with side characters, do it the American way (given name then surname) for some reason, especially ironic right now given we're in the Japan-based land. Some examples of this they've already done have been "Oden Kozuki", "Orochi Kurozumi", and "Yasuie Shimotsuki", and in this chapter, they add "Hitetsu Tenguyama" and "[Koz]aburo Shimotsuki".
    A note + thoughts from me: all three translations have Hitetsu state that, if Zoro turns Enma black, that'll raise its "rank". That doesn't strike me, though, as saying that that would move it from the "21 Excellent Grade" to the "12 Supreme Grade"; I feel like he'd need to say that turning Enma black would "raise its grade" to have that meaning. Plus, otherwise you'd think there wouldn't be a set number of Skillful/Excellent/Supreme Grade swords if turning a blade black changed it from one to another. I'm guessing that, even in the same Grade, there are some swords that are "better" or more prestigious/strong than others (and Enma seems to be one such), so they're even "ranked" compared to each other, and so if Zoro turns Enma black, it'll be an even more prized and special Excellent Grade sword than it already is.
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    I think Oda/editors might have fucked it up. The size of Luffy's fist seems to be too small for King Kong Gun.

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