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[Nectar]

I really liked the episode.

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It was cheesy as hell, but that was the point. From the "retired" badass returning, to the 80's robots, to the horror movie gore, to the "undercover squad" that's not really undercover, it was a hoot. I wouldn't call it filler as much as they didn't move the main story as much as previous episodes. It was more of a character piece...for Deke. Which isn't bad but I wish Mack got to do more. Feels like they just hit the reset button on him so he won't be mourning anymore. Other than that, if you are an 80's fan it was gold.

Agents of Shield S7 Ep7 - The Totally Excellent Adventures of Mack and the D.

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I don't say this a lot because I usually diasgree with how people use the word. But this episode was basically filler to me. Plot-wise all we got was that Sibyl and Nathaniel Malick have now teamed up. Character-wise Deke and Mack became mates (but not really that close), and Mack mourned his parents.

Other than that, this seemed like a parody of...various things. More so than any other episode this season. It may be that I did not care for it that much because I'm not too familiar with the 'source material'. But I haven't seen all that many Noir movies either, yet that episode was still great because it got us somewhere.

Can somebody verify that Deke built his base in the ruins of the Chronicom base? And that's why the Timestream was there? Because I started out thinking that they were at the lighthouse. Although that would still be an actual Shield-of-that-time station, I suppose.

That's it, I don't have a lot to say about this episode. I'm sure there's people who really enjoyed it.

They went wild with the references and cheese. You can tell the people who behind this episode grew up in the 80's. I just wish...

Spoiler:

We got to see Mack interacting with his younger self. And how did he get that house? No, no, no, stop it brain. It's was an 80's episode. You're not welcomed here!

[Huschel]

Yeah, this episode was just not for me. I'm happy you liked it though!

[Shiebs]

When do you think the Disney Plus shows that were supposed to get released this year will come out?

[Huschel]

Agents of Shield S7 Ep8 - After, Before

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Barry Allen who?

This was my kind of episode. I really quite liked it. We got so see Jiaying again which was wonderful. The plot got furthered. And we got to delve into YoYo's character. Admittedly, her never-before-alluded-to childhood trauma seemed to come out of nowhere, but they did tie it into her powers. And now she is even more OP then she used to be. Conveniently it only happened in the final season.

Meanwhile, on the Zephyr, everybody's getting patched up and trying to heal from their own trauma. I could feel the tension and urgency of the time jumps increasing in frequency. Simmons leaves behind a sort of journal/goodbye message (?) to Fitz who we will never get to see until maybe the penultimate episode if we behave and eat our vegetables.

And Nathaniel Malick is assembling a team of supervillains. One has to wonder what exactly Jiaying has done to Kora in order for her to immediately turn on her entire life like that. Including her mother. That part was clunky, but it gave us more adversaries for the future so sure.

Is Daisy weaker than she used to be because Nathaniel took some of her glands? Or are they both at full power now? It seems like there's should be a price for 'sharing' powers like that. And Daisy can make do with a little less power. After all, we have the fucking Flash on our team now.

[Nectar]

Not as fun as last week's but it's not supposed to be.

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I love getting a Yo-Yo/May episode. And, yeah, the whole it's in your head thing is cliche but... No, buts. It was cliche and I don't care but at least Yo-Yo's powers are back.

The time line is all messed up. There's no way they're returning to a present the same as their past. They better not a least. I'm just hoping they don't get a last second do-over.

Agents of Shield S7 Ep8 - After, Before

Spoiler:

Barry Allen who?

This was my kind of episode. I really quite liked it. We got so see Jiaying again which was wonderful. The plot got furthered. And we got to delve into YoYo's character. Admittedly, her never-before-alluded-to childhood trauma seemed to come out of nowhere, but they did tie it into her powers. And now she is even more OP then she used to be. Conveniently it only happened in the final season.

Meanwhile, on the Zephyr, everybody's getting patched up and trying to heal from their own trauma. I could feel the tension and urgency of the time jumps increasing in frequency. Simmons leaves behind a sort of journal/goodbye message (?) to Fitz who we will never get to see until maybe the penultimate episode if we behave and eat our vegetables.

And Nathaniel Malick is assembling a team of supervillains. One has to wonder what exactly Jiaying has done to Kora in order for her to immediately turn on her entire life like that. Including her mother. That part was clunky, but it gave us more adversaries for the future so sure.

Is Daisy weaker than she used to be because Nathaniel took some of her glands? Or are they both at full power now? It seems like there's should be a price for 'sharing' powers like that. And Daisy can make do with a little less power. After all, we have the fucking Flash on our team now.

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I don't get what Nathaniel's endgame is. Maybe he doesn't have one hence the anarchy talk. And if Nat's gonna make a team, Shield should start recruiting too. Bring Agent Tripp and Hunter and Mockingbird back for the finale. Oh, and Ghost Rider. Let's go full Avengers Endgame on the mofo.

[Huschel]

Spoiler:

I don't get what Nathaniel's endgame is. Maybe he doesn't have one hence the anarchy talk. And if Nat's gonna make a team, Shield should start recruiting too. Bring Agent Tripp and Hunter and Mockingbird back for the finale. Oh, and Ghost Rider. Let's go full Avengers Endgame on the mofo.

Okay, that would be badass.

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While I would enjoy various scenes of the team recruiting their former mates before their time (specifically Ghostrider), can you imagine Fitz just showing up with all of them in tow to save the day?

[Shiebs]

Sad news

https://screenrant.com/falcon-winter...-delay-august/

I mean I knew it would happen but still

[desa]

7x9 Really liked this episode.

Spoiler:

Nice move showing the title twice.

The montage of them losing to Enoch was incredibly funny.

The talk between Daisy and Sousa and while I didnt need the kiss he really stole my heart in this one. Its kinda isolated and have nothing to do with the plot but I love that scene. I was ok with Sousa before but this one really made me love the character. I was worried it meant he is dying since I didnt know the episode title.

For most of the episode Enoch is technically the villain but when they realize they have to sacrifice there's no unncesary drama on how he is dangerous but rather just great sadness to losing a friend. I like how for that lasts moments Enoch stay in character. He doesnt waste time to rip out the helping device and for his last moments his voice doesnt lose its cadence or become more expressive. And the talk they have before he goes is really good I think.

He was always one of my favorite parts of the last seasons so I will miss him. This was my first time missing Fitz since I felt he should have been there for his last moments. And I am mad the show didnt have Jemma stay as a stand in since she is the closest person to Fitz.

Only real critic is that Daisy would probably involve the team much sooner.

[Nectar]

Another good episode. Funny when it wanted to be. Serious when it needed to be.

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This is up there with Xena: Warrior Princess as one of my favorite time loop trope episodes. Maybe even more so because there's a time limit too.

Great seeing Daisy and Coulson as the dynamic duo this week. Took me 3 episodes but I finally saw the pattern. I'm guessing Jemma and Fitz are getting there's closer to the end.

This was also a great sendoff for Enoch. They did the character right. His death scene was a bit long and it's sad Fitz wasn't there but, again, it's for Enoch so I'm fine with it. And maybe they wanted to mirror Peter Parker's Infinity War death so, yeah...

This being the team's last mission is interesting. I can't help but go meta with it and think they are cutting Shield, or at least THIS version of Shield out of the MCU proper. Here's your retirement party, enjoy your gift card, now get out and we'll never speak of you again. Yep, I don't think they're fixing the timeline changes. This will be how they're cut off from everything else. A shame if true. That ship has long sailed but I really wished they made a proper Shield movie with Black Widow and Coulson and the tv crew. There's still so much potential for Shield in the MCU.

As for Daisy x Sousa, meh. We knew it's where they were going so I'm glad it's not out of left field but I don't care. I'd rather have them be good friends/have a sibling relationship instead. Every female main character doesn't need to be in a romantic relationship.

7x9 Really liked this episode.

Spoiler:

Nice move showing the title twice.

The montage of them losing to Enoch was incredibly funny.

The talk between Daisy and Sousa and while I didnt need the kiss he really stole my heart in this one. Its kinda isolated and have nothing to do with the plot but I love that scene. I was ok with Sousa before but this one really made me love the character. I was worried it meant he is dying since I didnt know the episode title.

For most of the episode Enoch is technically the villain but when they realize they have to sacrifice there's no unncesary drama on how he is dangerous but rather just great sadness to losing a friend. I like how for that lasts moments Enoch stay in character. He doesnt waste time to rip out the helping device and for his last moments his voice doesnt lose its cadence or become more expressive. And the talk they have before he goes is really good I think.

He was always one of my favorite parts of the last seasons so I will miss him. This was my first time missing Fitz since I felt he should have been there for his last moments. And I am mad the show didnt have Jemma stay as a stand in since she is the closest person to Fitz.

Only real critic is that Daisy would probably involve the team much sooner.

I agree about...

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Jemma being a stand-in for Fitz but she had a lot on her plate this week with directing the episode and all, ha. Great job, Elizabeth Henstridge.

And, yeah. I love Daisy. I love Sousa. I'm just not in love with them being together.

[Huschel]

Agents of Shield S7 Ep9 - As I have Always Been (Great Title)

Yeah, this was a very good episode. :)

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When we first learned about there being a loop, I thought that there really wasn't a lot of time or different details to work with. But then they gave the twist about Coulson also experiencing everything which made it work really well. The episode was very comedic at times and at certain points it took me out of it a little bit (why is Enoch capable of beating up the whole team? Oh, Deke got killed, oh well. Daisy and Jemma just suffocated, but Deke didn't really react all that much.), but it was very well crafted overall. The vortex coming closer each time was a fantastic way to up the ante.

Well, YoYo is clearly too powerful now, gotta trap her in the Quinjet. :P Coulson took an entire loop to get her out of there which was a smart idea that unfortunately didn't pay off. Except somehow she was there to go up against Enoch that one time...

Coulson getting more and more agitated was the funny parts of the episode that worked for me. He's so annoyed! And has some legitimate complaints, of course.

The writers realized that Mack wasn't in the last episode which means they couldn't screw up his life any further. Therefore, he immediately gets blinded in this one. Probably more than once.

Daisy and Sousa, eh? I guess I'm fine with it because I feel like that actually gives him a higher chance of making it out alive, ironically. See below for my death predictions ;)

Enoch's death didn't really affect me until his very good final scene/speech. The loneliness part was very poignant. And I liked that Coulson and Daisy stayed there with him. Yes, Simmons might have worked better. She might have told Enoch that he was also Fitz's best friend instead of just a good one. She's gotten pretty good at lying, after all.

So why is Jemma so aghast at what she has done? Speculation time!

I barely have any facts to back this up with, but it has to be big, obviously. I'll say that she and Fitz figured out a way to (potentially) save the world, but in order to try they had to sacrifice not just themselves (because that wouldn't be enough), but also the rest of the team. Even if they finish the mission, that'll be it. Their last mission. What that means exactly, I don't know. Maybe death, maybe being trapped in another time/place. Something like that. They will ultimately find another solution, but not everybody will make it. Here's my highly anticipated death predictions:

Coulson: Pretty obviously, he'll be done with it all after this mission. He kind of already is, but he'll keep going to help the team.
Daisy: She'll survive because she basically is the main protagonist of the show.
Deke: Will survive because it would be pretty cruel to kill somebody's grandchild, right? No more FitzSimmons's in the future? I don't think so. I guess they could go the route of baby Deke being born making him redundant, but nah. Edit: Wait, this makes no sense, he's not their kid XD
Simmons/Fitz: They seem likely to die. I don't think it will be just one of them. End their story together for painful closure.
Sousa: I just don't think they will kill of Daisy's boyfriend again.
May, Mack, YoYo: I don't know, I guess any of them could bite it, but I don't really see it. May is slightly more likely to die, in my opinion.
Joey: Still living the good life.

What do you guys think?

Edit: Oh my, I forgot about the Phlebotinum part! At this point in our lifetime, it's hard to say if that is a nod to Buffy (writers) or just a pop culture reference. Now I feel old. How can I loop back, please? Never mind, Drew Greenberg wrote this episode. Intentional reference then. Edit2: Yep, Elizabeth's YouTube stream confirmed it.

[Huschel]

Agents of Shield S7 Ep10 - Stolen

Spoiler:

I can't believe Nathaniel is now the best character on this show because he will take us to Fitz.

In other news, Nathaniel is still a piece of shit. But an enjoyable one. Kora, on the other hand, just didn't get enough development before her heel turn to anarchy. Presumably, she'll face turn later, but in the meantime she's just annoying.

Good casting/acting on young Garrett's part. I thought it was gonna be him almost immediately (I've also watched all three seasons of Dark recently, (spoilers for the general premise/all of S1)

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so I'm now familiar with recognizing various versions of various people)

I (viscerally) hate that he got an Inhuman power just like that. I'm fine with them having perfected the method, that makes sense to me. But it's so extremely invasive. In addition, Garrett takes zero time to somewhat control his powers. No zapping around the room helplessly like Gordon did. Okay, maybe having eyes helps with that. But it's just not earned at all. Which is the point. I have now argued myself into understanding this choice. I still dislike it which is also the point. :P

This whole episode had an air of invasiveness to it, actually. What with the bad guys having a pretty damn good idea about Shield's every move. It was loss after loss after loss. Culminating in Simmons being taken.

On the way we also lost Gordon (maybe?) and Jiaying (I kind of wanted Daisy to requake her neck to see if she would heal herself...I guess not...). So yeah, no new baby Daisy in the future. Adult Daisy will probably stick around somewhat like Deke did. She hasn't yet poofed out of existence after all. But it still seems like things have been screwed up so much at this point that we will have to repair it all somehow. Maybe Fitz will help with that.

P.S.: Shoutout to random mercenary man who got the awesome power of knives. He made good use of it just like Giyera who used his magnetic powers to shoot guns without having to touch them.

[Nectar]

Not my favorite episode.

Agents of Shield S7 Ep10 - Stolen

Spoiler:

I can't believe Nathaniel is now the best character on this show because he will take us to Fitz.

In other news, Nathaniel is still a piece of shit. But an enjoyable one. Kora, on the other hand, just didn't get enough development before her heel turn to anarchy. Presumably, she'll face turn later, but in the meantime she's just annoying.

Good casting/acting on young Garrett's part. I thought it was gonna be him almost immediately (I've also watched all three seasons of Dark recently, (spoilers for the general premise/all of S1)

Spoiler:

so I'm now familiar with recognizing various versions of various people)

I (viscerally) hate that he got an Inhuman power just like that. I'm fine with them having perfected the method, that makes sense to me. But it's so extremely invasive. In addition, Garrett takes zero time to somewhat control his powers. No zapping around the room helplessly like Gordon did. Okay, maybe having eyes helps with that. But it's just not earned at all. Which is the point. I have now argued myself into understanding this choice. I still dislike it which is also the point. :P

This whole episode had an air of invasiveness to it, actually. What with the bad guys having a pretty damn good idea about Shield's every move. It was loss after loss after loss. Culminating in Simmons being taken.

On the way we also lost Gordon (maybe?) and Jiaying (I kind of wanted Daisy to requake her neck to see if she would heal herself...I guess not...). So yeah, no new baby Daisy in the future. Adult Daisy will probably stick around somewhat like Deke did. She hasn't yet poofed out of existence after all. But it still seems like things have been screwed up so much at this point that we will have to repair it all somehow. Maybe Fitz will help with that.

P.S.: Shoutout to random mercenary man who got the awesome power of knives. He made good use of it just like Giyera who used his magnetic powers to shoot guns without having to touch them.

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I'm not even gonna try dividing my general thoughts to my replies to anyone anymore. I just have to quote someone when talking about AoS. There's only a handful of episodes left so screw it.

I'm not as sold on Nathaniel as you, but I like what he's doing more than the character himself. He's at least more interesting than Sybil. I'm just not into the whole anarchy thing. It's not anarchy, he's just being a selfish dick. But, I guess that's the point.

Not a fan of Yo-Yo's new upgrade anymore solely because there's now always an excuse for her NOT to use it. Probably saving it for an awesome moment in the finale but for now she won't be using it much I guess.

Jiaying dying was a surprise along with Gordon but I shouldn't be. We've reached Full Time Line Crazy Town. I'm kinda scared how they'll fix all this because it'll either be really good or really really bad. I just don't want AoS to fall flat on their face at the finish line after a solid final season.

Still waiting for Ward to return. You can't do time shenanigans without having a fan favorite like him return, right?

Anyway, overall an okay episode but it's down there with the first couple of episodes of the season as my least favorite.

...Oh, they mentioned Coulson getting killed by Loki. Screw you, show! You can't deviate light years from the movie continuity then mention it. No. No. No. Get outta here with that.

[desa]

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Garett's high on his power is entertaining. Nathanael talk bores me.

Sousa telling the truth about the future being fucked. And Daisy had a nice talk with her mom.

Im hoping for Fitz next week.

[Huschel]

Spoiler:

Next week, Nathaniel and his posse will remove Jemma's implant which will lead into a flashback of Fitz and Simmons planning the mission. And at the end, I guess the team reunites. Then two weeks from now, we'll get the final two episodes at once and that'll be it. :(

[Huschel]

Agents of Shield S7 Ep11 - Brand New Day

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I enjoyed the various character interactions we got, but plot-wise this was a slower table-setting episode for the finale. And yet, it doesn't feel like the series finale is incoming.

Unfortunately, Deke didn't get to save Nana. Instead he had to watch her get tortured. Which is listed in a standard Shield agent contract under occupational hazards. I really like that they didn't have Jemma or Deke break before Nathaniel figured out what was blocking him. And then, we get to find out...a little bit. Something about blood tests which made Fitz change their plans. It really seems like Jemma was pregnant and that's why he wanted them to take their time. Makes sense. Now, was Jemma crying the other episode because she left her child 'behind' or because they left the team hanging for a considerable amount of time? Or something else still? In any case, she gets hit with plot amnesia. Weird choice at this moment in time. Maybe a fail-safe because her mind got infiltrated?

Daisy (and Mack) going against probability is a fun concept, but clearly hazardous. Oh well, it's desperate times and they have plot armor. Their talk on the Zephyr floor was a beautiful sendoff to the crew. They've been a family for years and years and it's all gonna change now. For better or worse.

Mack lets Sousa know that Daisy is into him and he better get ready for it. Hopefully he somewhat reciprocates her feelings, but apparently that's not that high on Mack's priority list. The better part of their talk was obviously the Quake moniker conversation.

May and Kora have a little talk which was fine. My problem is that I still don't get Kora. It seems like she's been doing her own thing and just happened to play into Sybil's plan (because it was likely). Her own thing doesn't really make sense to me though...or she really doesn't understand how to bring her point across in an agreeable manner. Is she playing Nathaniel now? Or Shield/Daisy? I don't know and I don't really care...

Oh and Shield is gone, by the way. Should we be sad? Or will they fix it all anyway? Also, why not do this 4 decades ago?

I can easily see them giving us a great season finale with two more episodes. Series finale, though? Much more tricky at this point.

Whedonverse things (it's been a while)

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Nathaniel observing a heart-felt moment between Jemma and Fitz was pretty hilarious. Must have been really awkward to shoot. It reminded me of Buffy's The Zeppo in which Xander interrupts one of the (many) melodramatic Buffy/Angel scenes and they play it for comedic effect.



Immdiately afterwards, Jemma not wanting to forget Fitz was similar to Angel's I Will Remember You.
And then there's the title of the episode...hey Dr. Horrible :P

[Huschel]

Alright, I will accept this thread as my own. Even though now I won't really be posting in here anymore...

But anyway, yeah that's it. I've seen the final episodes of Agents of Shield. And I'm satisfied. Of course, not 100% satisfied because I'm capricious and impossible to please. But it was good.

Agents of Shield S7 Ep12 - The End Is at Hand & S7 Ep13 - What We're Fighting For

(I have no clue what's up with these spoiler tags. It won't let me delete the ones inserted right in the middle unless I get rid of all of them. Timey-wimey parallel worldy stuff, I'm sure)

Spoiler:

Okay, this one's gonna make it seem like I hated the episodes. Which I didn't. I quite enjoyed them. But many things irk me and I have to type them out, sorry about it.

Oddly enough, the exact opposite of what I thought would happen occurred (I must be a Predictor chronicom). I feel like they gave us a pretty great series finale, but it was somewhat lackluster as the S7 finale. Suddenly, a lot of things seemed rushed at the end and we couldn't really revel in any of our triumphs. Specifically, the showdown with Nathaniel was...boring. Did he even use Kora's powers at all during the fight? Is that what made them explode? Or was it the radioactive plastic balls that Daisy warned us about 10 minutes prior as if we were supposed to know what they were. That was unsatisfying.

I think my biggest gripe with the finale and the season as a whole is, unfortunately, Kora. I still don't think she got enough time to develop or to make me as a viewer understand her. I can logically follow that she was devoted to Nathaniel because he saved her life, but I didn't really get it. Why did we need the romance/kissing? Why does she seem to change her mind every scene? Why does she not care that Nathaniel speaks to her like she's 10 years old about the bad people and the good people in the world? I still like that we (and Daisy) got her because Ohana means family and she gives us another form of that (well, the quite literal one). Family has always been a big part of basically any Whedon production. They spell it out for us, too which I didn't mind at all.

Oh, more gripes! I'll get to the good stuff soon though. What's with nobody giving a shit about Deke? He's also literal family! They joke a couple times about Daisy not even acknowledging him and then he once again 'sacrifices' himself to help the team and there's zero reaction. Disrespectful.

Then there's the fact that I don't think all the characters were used that well. I understand that it's incredibly hard to find something pivotal to do for like eight

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different people. But they used to be more adept at it in other episodes. Maybe I'll abandon this critique on a rewatch though.

Lastly, the story crafting wasn't as unpredictable as it has been in the past. It seemed very clear throughout the episodes that they kept hinting about FitzSimmons' daughter and they even dropped her name beforehand. So the big reveal wasn't exactly shocking. But maybe that's okay. Maybe it's better to have a well-crafted story rather than be erratic for the heck of it, espcecially for the finale. Again though, I feel like they've done this better in the past.

That's all the negative stuff I can think of right now, so let's move on to the parts I enjoyed. Were there any? Yes. But only one big one. I loved the ending they gave us. They had to rush everything beforehand (including giving us voiceover while the opening credits were still going; shave off those seocnds!) so they were able to give us the meeting in the virtual safehouse in all its glory. Very somber and sad because that part of their journey together is clearly over. But obviously hopeful and lighthearted at the same time. There should be a word for that. I am quite pleased that they gave us the one-year after and even showed us everybody in action one more time in their respective environments. That was fantastic.

Other than that, there were little moments because there always are.
- The reveal of Alya wasn't shocking but it still made me emotional.
- The time-travel/world-hopping explanations they gave us worked for me. And it was fun to have them (sort of) interact with their past selves.
- Deke doing an impression of Bobo!!
- Fitz being so much more relaxed and happy after having lived a couple peaceful years with his family
- The Coulson academy part was cute and I like that they actually set it up in S6 already, so it didn't come out of nowhere.
- And, oh hey, Coulson doesn't want to be switched off, after all. I get the impression that he's living on a day to day basis. But as long as he has his family around him, he won't leave, I'm sure.
- Daisy didn't die in an explosion. They had me for a second.

I'm glad they got to do two more seasons because if this show had ended after S5 I would have been devastated for years to come. It's what happened to me with the only other show (like ever) that I used to watch week to week as it aired, when HBO's Looking was canceled after two seasons. That show did get a movie though...

[Nectar]

I'm actually gonna miss Agents of Shield. Now that's something I wouldn't have said last year.

Spoiler:

If I had to describe these final episodes it would be "fun". I had so much fun watching it. Seeing all the references. The ones I got and the ones I'm headed for the AoS Reddit to learn after this.

I'm satisfied with everyone's ending and I'm REALLY glad no one died. They played that card too many times already. Great seeing Flint and Piper and DAVIS (I guess that's what Piper wanted [along with the audience]).

Nat wasn't all that special even at the end but he did his job as an antagonist. And, thanks goodness the season wasn't about him so it didn't matter either way. Gotta say, Sybil was a good villain. I wasn't feeling it early on but they did a good job with her as the main antagonist.

Overall, I'm glad we got this season. AoS was able to end on a high note instead of what we got last season. While not my favorite TV show, it was a good ride (mostly).

Alright, I will accept this thread as my own. Even though now I won't really be posting in here anymore...

But anyway, yeah that's it. I've seen the final episodes of Agents of Shield. And I'm satisfied. Of course, not 100% satisfied because I'm capricious and impossible to please. But it was good.

Agents of Shield S7 Ep12 - The End Is at Hand & S7 Ep13 - What We're Fighting For

(I have no clue what's up with these spoiler tags. It won't let me delete the ones inserted right in the middle unless I get rid of all of them. Timey-wimey parallel worldy stuff, I'm sure)

Spoiler:

Okay, this one's gonna make it seem like I hated the episodes. Which I didn't. I quite enjoyed them. But many things irk me and I have to type them out, sorry about it.

Oddly enough, the exact opposite of what I thought would happen occurred (I must be a Predictor chronicom). I feel like they gave us a pretty great series finale, but it was somewhat lackluster as the S7 finale. Suddenly, a lot of things seemed rushed at the end and we couldn't really revel in any of our triumphs. Specifically, the showdown with Nathaniel was...boring. Did he even use Kora's powers at all during the fight? Is that what made them explode? Or was it the radioactive plastic balls that Daisy warned us about 10 minutes prior as if we were supposed to know what they were. That was unsatisfying.

I think my biggest gripe with the finale and the season as a whole is, unfortunately, Kora. I still don't think she got enough time to develop or to make me as a viewer understand her. I can logically follow that she was devoted to Nathaniel because he saved her life, but I didn't really get it. Why did we need the romance/kissing? Why does she seem to change her mind every scene? Why does she not care that Nathaniel speaks to her like she's 10 years old about the bad people and the good people in the world? I still like that we (and Daisy) got her because Ohana means family and she gives us another form of that (well, the quite literal one). Family has always been a big part of basically any Whedon production. They spell it out for us, too which I didn't mind at all.

Oh, more gripes! I'll get to the good stuff soon though. What's with nobody giving a shit about Deke? He's also literal family! They joke a couple times about Daisy not even acknowledging him and then he once again 'sacrifices' himself to help the team and there's zero reaction. Disrespectful.

Then there's the fact that I don't think all the characters were used that well. I understand that it's incredibly hard to find something pivotal to do for like eight

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different people. But they used to be more adept at it in other episodes. Maybe I'll abandon this critique on a rewatch though.

Lastly, the story crafting wasn't as unpredictable as it has been in the past. It seemed very clear throughout the episodes that they kept hinting about FitzSimmons' daughter and they even dropped her name beforehand. So the big reveal wasn't exactly shocking. But maybe that's okay. Maybe it's better to have a well-crafted story rather than be erratic for the heck of it, espcecially for the finale. Again though, I feel like they've done this better in the past.

That's all the negative stuff I can think of right now, so let's move on to the parts I enjoyed. Were there any? Yes. But only one big one. I loved the ending they gave us. They had to rush everything beforehand (including giving us voiceover while the opening credits were still going; shave off those seocnds!) so they were able to give us the meeting in the virtual safehouse in all its glory. Very somber and sad because that part of their journey together is clearly over. But obviously hopeful and lighthearted at the same time. There should be a word for that. I am quite pleased that they gave us the one-year after and even showed us everybody in action one more time in their respective environments. That was fantastic.

Other than that, there were little moments because there always are.
- The reveal of Alya wasn't shocking but it still made me emotional.
- The time-travel/world-hopping explanations they gave us worked for me. And it was fun to have them (sort of) interact with their past selves.
- Deke doing an impression of Bobo!!
- Fitz being so much more relaxed and happy after having lived a couple peaceful years with his family
- The Coulson academy part was cute and I like that they actually set it up in S6 already, so it didn't come out of nowhere.
- And, oh hey, Coulson doesn't want to be switched off, after all. I get the impression that he's living on a day to day basis. But as long as he has his family around him, he won't leave, I'm sure.
- Daisy didn't die in an explosion. They had me for a second.

I'm glad they got to do two more season because if this show had ended after S5 I would have been devastated for years to come. It's what happened to me with the only other show (like ever) that I used to watch week to week as it aired, when HBO's Looking was canceled after two seasons. That show did get a movie though...

I'm gonna miss quoting you, Huschel! Gonna miss quoting everyone in the thread. Guess I should read what Huschel said and comment (I rarely read the comments in here first. I just want to talk to people about AoS.)
...Okay, here we go...

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I agree about Korra but I can help loving her and Daisy getting along at the end so I'll forgive the show. As for this season being more about the series than the season, I agree and I'm glad they went that route.

Crapping on Deke is a running gag so I didn't think much of it. And, it wasn't like he was dying or didn't like the 80's but yeah, it sucks that he's in a different timeline now. Deke was a great addition to the show. Right up there with Mac and Yo-Yo. They may not give him respect but I will. Love ya, Deke!

And, yeah, I love the meeting. That's what I wanted, seeing the cast be (mostly) together one last time.

[Huschel]

I'm actually gonna miss Agents of Shield. Now that's something I wouldn't have said last year.

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If I had to describe these final episodes it would be "fun". I had so much fun watching it. Seeing all the references. The ones I got and the ones I'm headed for the AoS Reddit to learn after this.

I'm satisfied with everyone's ending and I'm REALLY glad no one died. They played that card too many times already. Great seeing Flint and Piper and DAVIS (I guess that's what Piper wanted [along with the audience]).

Nat wasn't all that special even at the end but he did his job as an antagonist. And, thanks goodness the season wasn't about him so it didn't matter either way. Gotta say, Sybil was a good villain. I wasn't feeling it early on but they did a good job with her as the main antagonist.

Overall, I'm glad we got this season. AoS was able to end on a high note instead of what we got last season. While not my favorite TV show, it was a good ride (mostly).

I'm gonna miss quoting you, Huschel! Gonna miss quoting everyone in the thread. Guess I should read what Huschel said and comment (I rarely read the comments in here first. I just want to talk to people about AoS.)
...Okay, here we go...

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I agree about Korra but I can help loving her and Daisy getting along at the end so I'll forgive the show. As for this season being more about the series than the season, I agree and I'm glad they went that route.

Crapping on Deke is a running gag so I didn't think much of it. And, it wasn't like he was dying or didn't like the 80's but yeah, it sucks that he's in a different timeline now. Deke was a great addition to the show. Right up there with Mac and Yo-Yo. They may not give him respect but I will. Love ya, Deke!

And, yeah, I love the meeting. That's what I wanted, seeing the cast be (mostly) together one last time.

Nectar! Will we ever be together in the same thread like this again? ;_;

Possibly.

You know, I mentioned that Whedon shows are about forming your own family by finding people who support you throughout life. They did it in Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse and in the Avengers, specifically the first one. It's a theme that always resonates with me and it might not be a coincidence that I am typing this on a One Piece forum. Anyway, none of those productions ended with the twist of

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moving on from that family you've built. Realizing that you've all spent formative years together and that the time was precious and valuable and always will be. And yet, few things last in perpetuity. And that's okay.*

I agree with all of your points. It's true that Nathaniel and Sybil were more in the background so we could spend more time with our protagonists. And yeah, Sybil was a pretty good villain. Always stoic, powerful and in control. Until she wasn't.

*Actually, now I'm thinking of the Friends finale which hit me hard.

[.:Nonsh:.]

Finally watched the finale.
It was a great ending to a great series.But i agree that as a season finale was a bit lackluster.

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The only thing i would have added at the end would've be a flashforward in the alternate universe showing an old Deke creating a team composed of Tripp, Ward and others.

...and maybe Mack re-recruiting Mockingbird and Hunter

I'am going to miss Coulson, and Daisy, and Fitz-Simmons...