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    I really enjoyed the previous chapter but the pacing in this one is quite weird...

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    Finally, waited all my life for this

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    Text-heavy chaps are my jam.

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    Okay, chapter comparisons!
    • The official name of the chapter is "The Star of Ebisu Town". In the scanlations, the newsboy is shouting about the "accident" and "incident/emergency" being the same thing, but in the official translation, they're two separate things (with the "accident" clearly referring to the fire, and the "incident" referring to Witching Hour Boy's capture).
    • In Mangastream, after Orochi asks how "he" (Yasuie) is still alive, Fukurokuju replies "How?" and then Orochi says "By making an example of him", which sounds weird, like there was some conversation that happened offscreen. In Jaimini's Box and VIZ, he asks what they should do, and Orochi replies with the "making an example of him" part. Also, in JB, the live broadcast of the execution and funeral is just referred to as "film and broadcast" (and the snail that does it as a "filming pond snail"), while in MS it's called a "light-gram", and in VIZ, "light-scrolls".
    • When Raizo and Caribou are watching the fat Luffy and Hyo from above, commenting about Queen and co noticing, there's a speech bubble that's clearly coming from the arena that, in MS, says "Find out?! With something like that, they'd have to be idiots not to notice!", which sounds like Caribou or Luffy speaking and doesn't make much sense. In JB and VIZ, it's clear the speaker is Queen, and he's deciding that them being fat doesn't matter; he needs to find out whether the news [of Komurasaki's death] is true.
    • In JB, Inuarashi says "The fire turned out to be much larger than we imagined!", which makes it sound like they set the fire and framed Holden's man for it. In MS and VIZ, he instead says (VIZ version) "Arson! It's more serious than I imagined it would be." This makes it more clear that that thug of Holdem's did actually set the fire, and Kin'emon/Inu/etc. were just the indirect cause of it by leaving the note that framed Shutenmaru.
    • Kin then replies to Inu in MS that he hopes this will push him (Ashura Doji) to become an enemy of the Beast Pirates since he won't move unless pushed; in JB, Kin says it'll be fine as long as Ashura becomes the main target of the Beast Pirates; and in VIZ, that it's fine as long as it pits the two groups against each other, and that this is what it takes to get someone like Ashura to "see sense".
    • In JB, Brook says that Hiyori is as pretty as "the courtesans", plural, as in just in general. In MS and VIZ, he says "courtesan/oiran", singular, clearly Komurasaki, making it even more obvious they're the same person (as does her comment about men loving to sleep next to her). Zoro's response to said comment is a little different in each version, too: "Got right to the point there, didn't we" in MS, "You're pretty chirpy this morning" in JB, and "You can look on the bright side of anything, can't you?" in VIZ.
    • In the scanlations, the pallbearers state that Komurasaki is to be "cremated as a criminal" at Rasetsu prison house. In the official version it's stated that she will be "'tried' as a criminal and burned at the stake" there, which...kind of makes it sound like they're going to take her corpse out of the casket to burn it? Lulz.
    • Yasuie states he plans to die smiling in the scanlations, but that he will die laughing in the official.
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    Can't help but think this is setting up for Zoro to do something major in the next chapter or two just as Orochi arrives at the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellisarioFaith View Post
    • In JB, Inuarashi says "The fire turned out to be much larger than we imagined!", which makes it sound like they set the fire and framed Holden's man for it. In MS and VIZ, he instead says (VIZ version) "Arson! It's more serious than I imagined it would be." This makes it more clear that that thug of Holdem's did actually set the fire, and Kin'emon/Inu/etc. were just the indirect cause of it by leaving the note that framed Shutenmaru.
    • Thank god that clears it up for everyone that criticised Kinemon burning down the mountain.
    While this chapter seems too get a bad rep for not being focused enough, I actually really liked it for the polar opposite. In other chapters we might get longer scenes, but the jumps between locations are far more random than here. Every moment this week built towards that everyone will witness Yasu's proclamation - the Straw Hats in Ebisu, everyone in the Prison Mine, Holdem, Shutenmaru, Kinemon's group, Orochi & henchmen as well as Hyori, Toki, Zoro and Brook.

    The biggest fault I see, is that Oda didn't make a panel stating "The next day" or something like that, to show that the night time has passed inbetween chapters. But in comparison to something like the Heart Pirates getting captured being offscreened, Yasu's arrest might actually have a reason that Oda holds back to reveal later. He might got himself captured on purpose after finding out about the plan the day before and wants to achieve something and its also very suspicious that Kyoshirou already made preperations for the broadcast in advance.

    With Hyori / Komurasaki, Kyoshiro and Yasu all being connected in some way, it wouldn't even surprise me if perhaps Yasu's just playing the part of Witching Hour Boy to be able to deliver his speech. Seeing how Hyiori seemed to knew the Witching Hour Boy's identity, but Toko only reacted once the name Yasu was spoken might be a sneaky trick by Oda and in the end Kyoshiro is actually the Witching Hour Boy. That's just a silly theory though.^^

    All in all, I'm just of the opinion that in this particular case I would await criticising things being off-screened for just until next chapter, since there might be more behind it than Oda wants us to know right now.


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    This chapter marks the first possible end point for volume 93, and the last pages do give us a hell of a revelation/cliffhanger to go out on, but it's never safe to call these things until we've seen the hypothetical 12th chapter. Just due to how short a lot of the chapters in this one have been (a 15 page one and a 13 page one, and nether of the colour spread chapters got all the way to 19 pages), I'd really like to see at least 11 chapters for that extra bit of content, especially considering volume 92 had similar things going on with its chapter lengths.

    I really like the colour spread. It feels very much like one from the series first few years with the sheer amount of slightly irreverent but otherwise surprisingly good English hiding everywhere. And that super wide grin on Nami is an expression I don't think she usually gets, but I like it. My only issue is Brook's phrase being "Panty Heaven." That's the thing that would stop me from displaying this one as a poster, which is too bad.

    It seems a few things happened off screen between the last chapter and this one. The start of the wildfire is easy to swallow - we haven't seen Kuri in a while and it allows the plot to jump back there in medias res - but I feel there should have been a little more of a hint about Yasu's arrest last week. He was safe and busy in Ebisu last we saw him, and it's not clear how much time is meant to have passed. Just like one panel of a guard or someone trying to get his attention before the cutaway last week I think would have helped the reveal for this one. I do like the local politics of Wano though. This whole thing with Orochi, Kyoshiro and Fukurokuju approaching control of the population and management of the government's perception from different angles while clashing with each other's personalities is a great dynamic, perhaps stemming from Oda's much-discussed enjoyment of Game of Thrones.

    Short scene in the prison with no breakout action just yet (you just know it's going to be a big freaking deal when it gets started, but the anticipation is killing me) but the overeating joke was decently fun. What I really like is the change in Hyo from the previous day. Look at him, he's really ready to go. Can't wait to see what he's able to do now his passion has been reignited.

    I can't imagine Oda plans to burn a whole lot of screen time on the Kuri plot going forward, so the wildfire, as mentioned above is a good way to jump back in at the point that gets it speeding towards a conclusion. The question is, how? Perhaps the fire will get out of control and threaten a town (a little hard to believe considering how much of a wasteland Kuri is near the populated areas) and Kin and Ashura will be forced to work together with that fire cutting technique that hasn't come up since Punk Hazard to contain it. Does Oda think we've all forgotten about that one? And on the Kuri scene, I liked that Oda chose to be more subtle than stating outright that Kin and Dogstorm framed Ashura. You have to actually piece it together a little from reactions to the fire and hearing what was stolen. Wano so far has been complicated, with such a detailed power structure for the government and its balance of power with Kaido's crew, the yakuza and Cipher Pol, factions within factions, and some actual political maneuvering instead of just outright battles. This arc plays like a big fantasy epic all of its own. Combine that with all the unfamiliar Japanese names and I'm not shocked at how many comments have shown up from people finding it hard to follow. Personally though, there's nothing I love more than a story that's able to keep a lot of balls in the air at once, and I can't wait to see how it resolves.

    Then we get some good old fashioned Brook humour and Zoro apparently having had a very good night (which, in classic Zoro form, he slept all the way through). Interesting that even after apparently getting an offscreen recap, Book says Hyori is "as beautiful as the Oiran" as though they're two separate people. Is that weird wording from Oda? Weird wording from Stephen? Two panels later she's talking openly about her life as the Oiran, so Brook has to know they're the same. And then on the next page, Brook is still explaining that the Oiran Komurasaki is "the most beautiful woman in all of Wano" to Komurasaki herself when he mentions the funeral. Dude I think she knows! Is the joke that Brook just doesn't get it?

    It's a real credit to Oda's art that Toko can manage to grin and look so distressed at the same time. It's an excellently detailed expression.

    Cutting back to the capital, it looks like things are going to get crazy at the funeral/execution. We have Robin, Usopp, Franky, Sanji, Nami, Kanjuro and Shinobu in the crowd, most of them being targets of the government, especially the three who infiltrated the palace and Sanji with his yakuza issues. We have Zoro, Brook, Hyori and Toko en-route, one of which is supposed to be dead, one of which is wanted for treason and finally one wanted for murder and graverobbing, plus Brook pretending to be a ghost. And then there's Law on his way to break his guys out from the same prison the procession is heading towards. This scene is an absolute powder keg of a thing, and that's before we factor in the Kozuki loyalists already arrested who might take advantage of the breakout and Ysuie's last words, which could have any affect on the crowd or on the attitude of Orochi and his underlings. The only thing I'm surprised not to see is any named or noteworthy bad guys guarding the prison or the procession. That's the last factor before things can really go off.

    This is probably the biggest and best of the current run of build-up chapters. There was strong forward momentum for the plot and some great developments, plus all kinds of future hype. Just like Oda to set things up like that then leave us hanging for a week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Then we get some good old fashioned Brook humour and Zoro apparently having had a very good night (which, in classic Zoro form, he slept all the way through). Interesting that even after apparently getting an offscreen recap, Book says Hyori is "as beautiful as the Oiran" as though they're two separate people. Is that weird wording from Oda? Weird wording from Stephen? Two panels later she's talking openly about her life as the Oiran, so Brook has to know they're the same. And then on the next page, Brook is still explaining that the Oiran Komurasaki is "the most beautiful woman in all of Wano" to Komurasaki herself when he mentions the funeral. Dude I think she knows! Is the joke that Brook just doesn't get it?
    She hasn't said anything about being the Oiran. She sort of coyly references it by saying men get excited about the thought of sleeping next to her, but she hasn't said anything to Zoro or Brook. He's just providing all the dramatic irony by constantly referring to the Oiran in her presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    She hasn't said anything about being the Oiran. She sort of coyly references it by saying men get excited about the thought of sleeping next to her, but she hasn't said anything to Zoro or Brook. He's just providing all the dramatic irony by constantly referring to the Oiran in her presence.
    Ah that makes sense now, thanks for taking the time to clarify it. Its been so strongly inferred over the past few weeks I didn't even think there was a chance she hadn't told them everything. That, and the map included in the Japanese magazine the other week that made it totally explicit to the readers. Seeing what Oda's going for now, Shueisha really dropped the ball by giving the game away so early.

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    Good to have it clarified that Kinemon did not start the fire after all. I didn't really have an issue with it, but I suppose I prefer that that he did not go to such extremes.

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    It's a real credit to Oda's art that Toko can manage to grin and look so distressed at the same time. It's an excellently detailed expression.
    I very much enjoyed that as well. Hell, just the fact that she isn't actually laughing also spoke volumes.

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    Ah that makes sense now, thanks for taking the time to clarify it. Its been so strongly inferred over the past few weeks I didn't even think there was a chance she hadn't told them everything. That, and the map included in the Japanese magazine the other week that made it totally explicit to the readers. Seeing what Oda's going for now, Shueisha really dropped the ball by giving the game away so early.
    Oda has made it clear to the reader they are the same person from the start. So Shueisha didn't spoil much rather than confirm the obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    Oda has made it clear to the reader they are the same person from the start. So Shueisha didn't spoil much rather than confirm the obvious
    Ehh I feel that if Oda is going for no explicit confirmations and having characters noticeably act as though it's not confirmed, his publisher should be doing the same thing. Maybe I overthought it when I read the chapter this week, but I found the contradiction confusing. Hard to say how much input Oda has on that kind of promo stuff (remember there was no original art, and a few characters' locations were out of date for the chapter it came out in, suggesting strongly it wasn't fact-checked by the man himself), but it does feel a little like they undermined him to me.

    But I suppose the final word will depend on how the actual, canon reveal is handled. If it's a big deal in canon, shame on Sheuisha. If it's more like Zoro and Brook going "whaaaat" and Nami or whoever going "did you guys really not work it out," that'll be more forgivable.

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    Oda is just playing on the fact that us reader know whereas the characters on the story don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kfunk View Post
    I really enjoyed the previous chapter but the pacing in this one is quite weird...
    Oda is using a Kabuji structure something we are not culturaly used to, let s try to addapt and enjoy

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    Good to have it clarified that Kinemon did not start the fire after all. I didn't really have an issue with it, but I suppose I prefer that that he did not go to such extremes.



    I very much enjoyed that as well. Hell, just the fact that she isn't actually laughing also spoke volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Ehh I feel that if Oda is going for no explicit confirmations and having characters noticeably act as though it's not confirmed, his publisher should be doing the same thing. Maybe I overthought it when I read the chapter this week, but I found the contradiction confusing. Hard to say how much input Oda has on that kind of promo stuff (remember there was no original art, and a few characters' locations were out of date for the chapter it came out in, suggesting strongly it wasn't fact-checked by the man himself), but it does feel a little like they undermined him to me.

    But I suppose the final word will depend on how the actual, canon reveal is handled. If it's a big deal in canon, shame on Sheuisha. If it's more like Zoro and Brook going "whaaaat" and Nami or whoever going "did you guys really not work it out," that'll be more forgivable.
    If it's supposed to be a big future reveal, it's going to be a laughably bad one for people who watch the anime or read the digital colored manga.



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