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  • Marshall D. Teach "Blackbeard"

    431 64.42%
  • Sakazuki "Akainu"

    39 5.83%
  • The Gorosei

    93 13.90%
  • Shanks "Red Hair

    15 2.24%
  • Charlotte LinLin "Big Mom"

    3 0.45%
  • Kaidou "The man of a thousand beasts"

    3 0.45%
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    2 0.30%
  • Dragon

    7 1.05%
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    2 0.30%
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  1. #1781

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    It would actually be kind of funny if there does turn out to be a villain at the end literally named "World Government".
    And even funnier if he was actually not involved with the WG at all.

    "ITS PRONOUNCED WHARL GONUNEMEN, THE SPELLING IS COINCIDENCE!!!"
    "Whatever World Government"
    "I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!"

  2. #1782

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    It's pretty much confirmed that there will be a final war after Luffy have obtain One Piece and become the Pirate King. Which means that Blackbeard won't be the final villain although he will probably be the strongest villain Luffy ever faced. So Akainu is probably the final villain in name.

  3. #1783

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMajesticMihawk View Post
    It's pretty much confirmed that there will be a final war after Luffy have obtain One Piece and become the Pirate King. Which means that Blackbeard won't be the final villain although he will probably be the strongest villain Luffy ever faced. So Akainu is probably the final villain in name.
    Or, you know, Blackbeard can fight in the war.

  4. #1784
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    How is it even confirmed?


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    What I mean is, it can go in many different ways. Sure, we were promised a massive battle, but Luffy doesn't have to be a deciding factor in beating WG. If it even gets beaten in the end. We have Revolutionaries who were first introduced around the time Blackbeard was, and Oda has been building them more and more over the years. There's a good chance Luffy isn't going to hog all the glory or fight every boss.

    Why are we even sure SH will draw different conclusions than Roger pirates have. Of course, the cirumstance may force them to fight WG, but what if even Robin admits it would have been better if they never discovered the true history?

    If SH get to Raftel first, they will become BB's most important target, that much is inevitable. All the other possibilities are pretty much open.
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  5. #1785

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    How is it even confirmed?
    It's confirmed in two ways.
    1. In-universe, Whitebeard said that a war will erupt when One Piece is found. The quote was: "Sengoku. Your World Government is afraid. Afraid of the coming war that will engulf the world!!!" And we have no reason to believe he was an unreliable character.
    2. Out-of-universe, Oda said that, "One thing that motivates me to keep drawing One Piece is that I want to draw the last chapter. The last chapter is amazing! I imagine a final chapter that will make the Marineford arc look like nothing." Yes, it's an obvious hook, but it's still the author declaring that he'll make Marineford look like nothing in the final "chapter" of One Piece (I interpret this to be arc) How would he do so? Consult Whitebeard's quote.

    What I mean is, it can go in many different ways. Sure, we were promised a massive battle, but Luffy doesn't have to be a deciding factor in beating WG. If it even gets beaten in the end. We have Revolutionaries who were first introduced around the time Blackbeard was, and Oda has been building them more and more over the years. There's a good chance Luffy isn't going to hog all the glory or fight every boss.
    I think he does, for a few reasons. He's the son of Dragon, why bother forming that plot thread if Luffy's not going to be involved with Dragon at some point? The easiest way of making that happen is in the comeuppance of the World Government with Luffy fighting with the Revolutionaries. Luffy battling the government and the revolutionaries battling the government don't have to be separate - Luffy can also just take out a major target and be a deciding factor.

    I'm not sure why the supremely evil government doesn't need to overthrown, but it's an interesting thought. It's just how things have been done in this series, a precedent has been set. Evil dynasties get overthrown and reformed. I think it's partly why characters like Sengoku exist: to have honest good-natured people have major qualms with the World Government, and that plants seeds in the reader's minds to want them defeated.

    Why are we even sure SH will draw different conclusions than Roger pirates have. Of course, the cirumstance may force them to fight WG, but what if even Robin admits it would have been better if they never discovered the true history?
    I think I have to ask a question here to lead to answer to yours: What would it accomplish if they DON'T draw different conclusions? I think the entire point of coming to a different conclusion is to finally solve what happened in the Void Century.


  6. #1786

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonicpoodle View Post
    I think it's partly why characters like Sengoku exist: to have honest good-natured people have major qualms with the World Government, and that plants seeds in the reader's minds to want them defeated.
    I'm not sure that Sengoku really fits that bill.

    He feels closer to a grey zone than Aokiji for instance.

    Or the far more extreme idealism of Coby

  7. #1787

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    Ignoring who the final villain for luffy is, I would see the 5 gorosei take part of the final battle somehow. I don't think they will just step aside without doing nothing, and their scars show they are not strangers to battles. Dragon, koala, ivankov, sabo, new revo guy(crows) vs the 5 gorosei, maybe?

    The 5 gorosei could have DFs inspired from 5 gods, mythical zoans.

  8. #1788

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    I'm not sure that Sengoku really fits that bill.

    He feels closer to a grey zone than Aokiji for instance.

    Or the far more extreme idealism of Coby
    Fits the bill of giving readers reasons to want the WG overthrown? Or fits the bill of honest and good-natured?

    I'll go with the second considering what else you brought up. Good-natured is too kind, yeah. The whole eradicating bloodlines thing. But I think the reason I (and readers? Can't say) can empathize with him is he's just doing his job and doesn't go overboard. And he seems fair-minded and can even respect pirates if they've earned it. He was grey but he's certainly "white" now if you get me.


  9. #1789

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shobu Yoruichi View Post
    Or means Sakazuki's Haki is stronger than Marco's and Jozu's. Just as implied by Pica's last resort with Zoro.
    Pica is a paramecia, not a logia. And you are telling me that Akainu recovered his shoulders with haki ? Can you can heal yourself with haki ?

    Then how Aokiji lost his leg and arm ? I actually have no idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Yes, he very clearly was holding back
    Yeah, but my point is "was Mihawk at full power against Luffy ?" He obviously wasn't.

    And here a page of the fight
    http://i8.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ece-896877.jpg
    I don't see how he would go all out, he's obviously telling Luffy with some kind of "fear haki" that he shouldn't attack him if he doesn't want to lose his arms. As Zoro did against Monet.
    We just don't know if he used haki, as I said above, we have no idea how to wreck someone's arm or leg.

    I don't say he didn't use haki, but in my opinion when he said "i won't hold back" it meant he was gonna use his big black sword, the one he didn't use against Zoro because he was holding back. He even says right after the thing about redhair
    http://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ece-857169.jpg
    "Will he somehow escape from my black blade ?" Is it just a figure of speech or is the sword cursed or something like Zoro's Sandai Kitetsu ? Remember this ?
    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...path-prefix=fr
    My point here is that he is talking about his big sword and not use haki or destroy the island ( as a former rival of Shanks - a yonkou - he can probably do that ).

  10. #1790

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    I think that is a valid hypothesis especially from a literary standpoint, it's a reference to how he didnt take zoro seriously at first and then used his blade to attack him and he swung at him pretty hard but didnt chase him obsessively like smoker.

    I think mihawk has more to show definitely and with luffy being unable to beat a pacifista pre timeskip, I think a zoned in mihawk would have used some more named attacks IIRC to try and kill him there's a difference between holding back and going completely into your well.
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  11. #1791

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Freecs View Post
    Pica is a paramecia, not a logia. And you are telling me that Akainu recovered his shoulders with haki ? Can you can heal yourself with haki ?

    Then how Aokiji lost his leg and arm ? I actually have no idea.




    Yeah, but my point is "was Mihawk at full power against Luffy ?" He obviously wasn't.

    And here a page of the fight
    http://i8.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ece-896877.jpg
    I don't see how he would go all out, he's obviously telling Luffy with some kind of "fear haki" that he shouldn't attack him if he doesn't want to lose his arms. As Zoro did against Monet.
    We just don't know if he used haki, as I said above, we have no idea how to wreck someone's arm or leg.

    I don't say he didn't use haki, but in my opinion when he said "i won't hold back" it meant he was gonna use his big black sword, the one he didn't use against Zoro because he was holding back. He even says right after the thing about redhair
    http://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ece-857169.jpg
    "Will he somehow escape from my black blade ?" Is it just a figure of speech or is the sword cursed or something like Zoro's Sandai Kitetsu ? Remember this ?
    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...path-prefix=fr
    My point here is that he is talking about his big sword and not use haki or destroy the island ( as a former rival of Shanks - a yonkou - he can probably do that ).
    That's not Mihawk using "fear" haki, something that was never mentioned in the series.
    That was Luffy using Color of Observation, possibily ofr the first time. Mihawk was so completly serious (he was going to easily cut off Luffy's arm) that his killing intent was easily felt by Luffy, someone who was just taking is first steps in haki.

  12. #1792

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    It's kind of interesting how massively useful Buggy's devil fruit really is.

    Wonder what it would be like if it was awakened?

  13. #1793

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    Quote Originally Posted by FolhaS View Post
    That's not Mihawk using "fear" haki, something that was never mentioned in the series.
    That was Luffy using Color of Observation, possibily ofr the first time. Mihawk was so completly serious (he was going to easily cut off Luffy's arm) that his killing intent was easily felt by Luffy, someone who was just taking is first steps in haki.

    You can be right, but that means you also imply that it was kenbunshoku haki here ?
    http://i1.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ce-3671439.jpg

    I think that Mihawk's student performig the same thing is too much to be a coincidence.

    The awakening of this type of haki looks more like this
    http://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ce-5160261.jpg

    I give you that there are probably many ways to awake this haki but well, i need more moments of characters awakening to be sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    It's kind of interesting how massively useful Buggy's devil fruit really is.

    Wonder what it would be like if it was awakened?
    The awakening of paramecia DF are probably hard to think for the author. We know that zoan can turn to some kind of berserk mode. Doflamingo can turn things into strings. But what about people like Luffy, Buggy, or the guy that can slower time ?
    Maybe Buggy could split his opponents but that would be very Law like.

  14. #1794

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Freecs View Post
    You can be right, but that means you also imply that it was kenbunshoku haki here ?
    http://i1.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ce-3671439.jpg
    I don't think he implies that.

  15. #1795

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    It's kind of interesting how massively useful Buggy's devil fruit really is.

    Wonder what it would be like if it was awakened?
    Hard to say with the ones that are essentially shape-changes, like Luffy or Berrygood (There's a fight I'd like to see). Maybe he'd be able to slice up other people as well and shuffle them a bit like Law can.

  16. #1796

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangaroa View Post
    Hard to say with the ones that are essentially shape-changes, like Luffy or Berrygood (There's a fight I'd like to see). Maybe he'd be able to slice up other people as well and shuffle them a bit like Law can.
    Wonder if he'd be able to make swords and sharp objects useless on everyone and everything he choses to.

    Like the sword equivalent of an anti-mage. Imagine how pissed Mihawk and Zoro would be.

  17. #1797

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Freecs View Post
    You can be right, but that means you also imply that it was kenbunshoku haki here ?
    http://i1.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ce-3671439.jpg

    I think that Mihawk's student performig the same thing is too much to be a coincidence.

    The awakening of this type of haki looks more like this
    http://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/...ce-5160261.jpg

    I give you that there are probably many ways to awake this haki but well, i need more moments of characters awakening to be sure.



    The awakening of paramecia DF are probably hard to think for the author. We know that zoan can turn to some kind of berserk mode. Doflamingo can turn things into strings. But what about people like Luffy, Buggy, or the guy that can slower time ?
    Maybe Buggy could split his opponents but that would be very Law like.
    That's bloodlust, a strong intent to attack/kill. It's a shounen staple and Zoro had those kind of scenes before he trained with Mihawk.
    Example: Sabaody
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    The point of Zoro's fight with Monet was that he didn't use haki or he would have straight up murdered her. Because Zoro is meant to be this badass and very scary guy not your friendly neighborhood Luffy.

    And Color of Observation is used to feel the presence of other creatures, which includes when they attack.
    I'll let Rayleigh explain it.
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    But the same way Color of Armament can be used to fortify your attack and/or your defense so can Color of Observation be used in a passive or active way.
    Figthers usually use it in a passive way, to know who's around them and how they're going to attack. Sharpshooter's use it to actively search their targets like Ussop aiming at their auras and not what he could see. Van Augher also does this right before the Straw Hat's reach Jaya.
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    And Fujitora uses a permanent mix of the two since he's blind.
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  18. #1798

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    Yeah i know what haki is. Also know about everything that's been said troughout internet. Well, forget about the part "he tells Luffy not to attack him" then.
    What i said still makes sense. You know, Mihawk not drawing his sword against shitty opponents and all.

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    Thematically speaking, it would make sense if Teach will be the final antagonist. It would seem like a copout if it were to be Akainu to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ4 View Post
    Thematically speaking, it would make sense if Teach will be the final antagonist. It would seem like a copout if it were to be Akainu to be honest.
    Why? Akainu is more evil than BB, has more resources and will actively target Luffy already. Akainu is the only other person who even has a shot at being the final villain. And to be honest Luffy definitely hates Akainu more than BB.

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