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  • Marshall D. Teach "Blackbeard"

    431 64.42%
  • Sakazuki "Akainu"

    39 5.83%
  • The Gorosei

    93 13.90%
  • Shanks "Red Hair

    15 2.24%
  • Charlotte LinLin "Big Mom"

    3 0.45%
  • Kaidou "The man of a thousand beasts"

    3 0.45%
  • Kong

    2 0.30%
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    7 1.05%
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Thread: Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0

  1. #2221

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    It's not the government as they will need to stay in place to keep world order.

    It's Blackbeard. The pirate age is his now after burying WB.

  2. #2222

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwtape View Post
    It's not the government as they will need to stay in place to keep world order.
    There is no need of a World Government to make order and peace prevail
    Every nation gets the government it deserves.---- Joseph de Maistre

  3. #2223

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post


    How does Im represent....anything as far as his own ideals are concerned? He/she has been on maybe three or so panels.

    We *literally* have no idea of who Im is, what his/her ideals are or even what the actual role is.
    Do we really need that much of panel time to understand what represents someone who sit on a throne which was supposed to be empty and which the gorosei bow to ?

    I don't mind to keep Blackbeard as the last villain but I'm curious to know what is the scenario people have in mind ? I'm not sure the one with him becoming pirate king before Luffy is still credible after this flashback revelations.

  4. #2224

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    I honestly feel like we're not even reading the same story.

    Because Rocks is the villain Roger didn't defeat right?

    Blackbeard has been alive for 40 years; What's going on in the One Piece world started 800 years ago. The greater conflict is bigger than Blackbeard. Any Blackbeard theories rely on him being the one to topple the World Government, take the title of Pirate King, find Laugh Tale, take One Piece, etc.

    None of that fits thematically with anything going on in the story.

    Joy Boy and the Roger Pirates are the only ones to have landed on Laugh Tale since the end of the void century. The Void Century that the World Government is trying desperately to hide. The Celestial Dragons live as gods; the D's are the 'enemies of the gods'. They have some deep connection to the void century. I have my theory, but it's not worth going into in this topic. I'll say that the idea that they're descendants of the lost civilization seems far less likely now. Luffy and Teach are not the only two. There's also Law, Dragon, Garp; There was Rouge, Roger, Ace, and Saul;

    Luffy and Teach are both D's. D's are enemies of the gods. Infighting among the D's is far less central to the main conflict than the true heir to the will of D taking up the mantle of their original forebear and rising up to challenge the world.

    Joy Boy worked with the Kozuki Clan and allies around the world to leave a message for the future. The Minks foretell the coming of 'the new dawn'; That implies the world is now in a state of 'night'; Whatever bad thing that happened is still happening. The world is already under the rule of an oppressive regime.

    Let me be clear, I have always considered the World Gov to be the endgame of the series. I've been saying it for like 15 years now. At this point, it's almost a willful misreading of the series to say that they're a passive entity or that they do not present any active existential threat to the characters and the world.

    The 'status quo' is not a good thing in the One Piece world. It's rife with corruption. Yes, Roger fought Rocks. Rocks was not Roger's greatest enemy. Roger defeated Rocks. He didn't defeat the World Government. We now know he didn't even try - and we know the reason why.

    They were too early. Roger was dying and Shirahoshi wouldn't be born for another 10 years. They were 'too early' as Rayleigh said to Robin. The pieces were not yet in place. So Roger turned himself in, purposely chose his dying works to ignite the Great Pirate Era, to push his successor to find One Piece on Laugh Tale and finish that which he could not. And his unfinished business wasn't Rocks it was the World Government. What you're all suggesting is that Teach will inherit Roger's will and that's decidedly not going to happen. Whitebeard said as much. Whitebeard knew everything. He knew what One Piece was and he knew who the D's were. Roger told him before he turned himself in after Laugh Tale. Whitebeard knew - and he said that Teach isn't the one. Luffy's the one. He's the one who 'brings the new dawn' as the Minks according to the Mink prophecies. He's the one who will 'shoulder the burden of history';

    I don't know how anyone can think Teach has any business on Laugh Tale after reading chapter 967. To even mention him in the same breath as Luffy, Roger, and Joy Boy is a terrible misreading of the series and its themes.

    There's nothing meaningful in Teach taking over the world. A tyrant already controls the world. You're suggesting that the tyrant who controls the world and has controlled the world for centuries, who caused the world to become in it's current state, is less significant than a guy a little older than Luffy vying for the same goal.

    The title of Pirate King is Luffy's goal, yes, but that is not his motivating desire. He wants to become Pirate King because it represents true freedom. Freedom is his desire. Becoming Pirate King is his goal. Blackbeard stands in the way of his goal, but is not diametrically opposed to his root desire. Thematically, it doesn't work. Blackbeard wants the same thing as Luffy. He's not an 'agent of chaos' as some people suggest - and even then, 'chaos vs order' is not a theme in One Piece. Luffy doesn't represent order. Luffy does whatever the hell he wants. He's a 'chaotic' protagonist, so the idea that Teach will claim One Piece or the weapons and make the world a chaotic hellscape is really out of place. Exchanging one tyrant for another at the eleventh hour doesn't work. Joy Boy left One Piece on Laugh Tale for someone else to find. The Sea Kings, the Minks, the Kozuki, the Fishmen, the Shandorans, the people of Alabasta - have all hid the message for centuries so that the right person will inherit the message and the means to achieve victory where they failed 800 years ago.

    The person who finds One Piece is the person to inherit that will. Luffy and Teach are vying for the right to inherit One Piece. Roger found it, but he was too early to do anything about it. So he passed the message along. But now the pieces are coming together. Shirahoshi is born. The time is right and coming soon for someone to rise up and challenge the world, to bring the new dawn - and that person is not Teach. Teach cannot be the one to inherit One Piece.

    Teach cannot 'possess' all the weapons because, from what we understand, Shirahoshi is not a weapon to be possessed. Luffy is the one who will help guide her. You're taking all of the cool things that Luffy is set up to do and giving them to Teach instead. Luffy and Blackbeard will fight before Laugh Tale - and the one who wins gets to inherit One Piece / Roger's Will / Joy Boy's Will and then use that information, the true history left on Laugh Tale 800 years ago by Joy Boy, written in the Poneglyph language created by the Kozuki Clan, to face the enemy who erased 100 years of history and has ruled this world oppressing freedom for centuries. And I imagine the symbolism of Teach's picture next to Luffy, Shirahoshi, and Vivi's is that he will be an ally after his ambition is crushed.

    The 'Great Pirate Era' was a created for a purpose, and it was not to decided who gets to be the next to wear the crown that was foist upon Roger. It should be obvious at this point that the title is a bit of a fabrication. Just as Morgans used the news to create the narrative that Luffy is the 'Fifth Emperor', the world are the ones who started calling Roger the 'Pirate King', a title he never chose for himself. Luffy wants that title for a purpose; it is the means to an end, not the end unto itself. Luffy wants freedom and right now the world is living under the hoof of the Celestial Dragons. If Rocks represents anything, it is that victory at all costs is not acceptable. The manner in which victory is achieved also matters. Roger faced Rocks 14 years before he discovered Laugh Tale and learned the True History and as mentioned. Rocks was an enemy of Roger, yes, but the entity which controls the world was an enemy of not only Roger, but also Joy Boy, the one who left One Piece on Laugh Tale, and all those who protected the message for the future hero who is meant to come along and change things. That's why Rocks was doomed from the start; Why Whitebeard who allied with Rocks and knew the truth of the world, looked down on Teach and saw someone unfit to inherit that legacy. All of those things matter. To say Teach can change the world without the support and help of people around the world misunderstands the message of One Piece and invalidates the efforts of all those people over centuries. Even Roger, strong enough to defeat Rocks, was not able to take what he learned at Laugh Tale, and change the world without all the pieces in place. Because he was dying, he knew he would not have enough time to wait - and so he passed the message along and created the pirate era, knowing that the one who discovers One Piece will be that right person. Someone like him. Someone like Joy Boy. Someone who could make allies of people around the world, the only means by which effective change can ever happen. Just like Rocks, Teach is doomed to failure. He cannot change the world, but Luffy can. The era of Whitebeard? The era of Blackbeard? None of that matters. It's ;like arguing over who gets to sit on the Iron Throne while the army of the dead marches southward.

    Roger ran out of time. But he knew the time window for his successor to finish the mission. Shirahoshi would be born in 10 year and take another 15 years to grow up. His allies have helped guide Luffy along. Luffy rising up to defeat the ones controlling the world will not be done alone, but with the help of allies around the world, and through the effort of many who came before him throughout history, including Roger. That's the will of D. Without that, Teach has nothing. Weapons? Gold? None of it matters. Teach doesn't have the single most important quality which will allow Luffy to change the world. And that is why Luffy will fight Blackbeard for the right to become Pirate King, inherit One Piece, and go on to challenge the ones who control the world and stand in the way of true freedom.

    I apologize for any grammatical errors and / or redundancy.
    Last edited by Vongola_Boss_XI; January 25th, 2020 at 04:33 PM.
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  5. #2225

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvoWarrior5 View Post
    Yea I agree, would be interesting to have a new version of this poll soon.
    If ya'll want a 3.0 thread start throwing out the list of options and i can make it happen once we have a good selection.

  6. #2226

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    Blackbeard.

    Shanks.

    Big Mom.

    Kaido.

    Akainu.

    Kong.

    Imu.

    The Gorosei.

    Rocks.

    Dragon.

    Some evil D.

    Roger. (If Oda does a Naruto at the end).

  7. #2227
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    If ya'll want a 3.0 thread start throwing out the list of options and i can make it happen once we have a good selection.
    Im, WG, Rocks, Akainu, Blackbeard. Those seems to be the options in vogue.

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    Shanks also if we are broadly talking last battle.



  8. #2228

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    Quote Originally Posted by imperioonepiece View Post
    Blackbeard.

    Shanks.

    Big Mom.

    Kaido.

    Akainu.

    Kong.

    Imu.

    The Gorosei.

    Rocks.

    Dragon.

    Some evil D.

    Roger. (If Oda does a Naruto at the end).
    Looks about right, as someone suggested last page probably put Kid on there too. Do I think that is even remotely a good option? Hard no. But with some of these options that are on there, Kid wouldn't even look that out of place on it.

  9. #2229

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    Quote Originally Posted by imperioonepiece View Post
    Blackbeard.

    Shanks.

    Big Mom.

    Kaido.

    Akainu.

    Kong.

    Imu.

    The Gorosei.

    Rocks.

    Dragon.

    Some evil D.

    Roger. (If Oda does a Naruto at the end).
    Kaido and BM dont really belong here. I mean com'on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vongola_Boss_XI View Post
    I don't know how anyone can think Teach has any business on Laugh Tale after reading chapter 967. To even mention him in the same breath as Luffy, Roger, and Joy Boy is a terrible misreading of the series and its themes.
    That´s because of the world war that is supposed to happen at some point(according to Newgate), that's where Teach fits, it don't seem to me(and many people) like Luffy would purposely throw the entire world into war, but you know who would?... Zeeehahahaha... Exactly!

    Luffy would be like the one ending it. Not starting it.

  10. #2230

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    Blackbeard and Im. No need for any other option.
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  11. #2231
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    I would suggest combining options when fitting.

    Hot:
    [Blackbeard]
    [Imu / Gorosei / Kong / WG]

    Lukewarm:

    [Akainu / Absolute Justice renegade Marine faction]

    Cold:
    [Kaido & Big Mom, "new Rocks Pirates"]

    Awkward curveball territory:

    Shanks
    Dragon
    Rocks himself


    This is it in my opinion. Maybe a "none of the above" option as well. For stuff like Uranus or something.


  12. #2232

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    I would suggest combining options when fitting.

    Hot:
    [Blackbeard]
    [Imu / Gorosei / Kong / WG]

    Lukewarm:

    [Akainu / Absolute Justice renegade Marine faction]

    Cold:
    [Kaido & Big Mom, "new Rocks Pirates"]

    Awkward curveball territory:

    Shanks
    Dragon
    Rocks himself


    This is it in my opinion. Maybe a "none of the above" option as well. For stuff like Uranus or something.
    Good list, although I think big mom and Kaido have the lowest chance since those two are probs going down this arc or maybe Elbaf for big mom so not the “new rocks pirates” unless by new rocks pirates you meant a third group comprised of former members of the rocks pirates outside of big mom and Kaido

    Edit: apparently I need to read before I post as you had them as cold choice my b

  13. #2233

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vongola_Boss_XI View Post
    I honestly feel like we're not even reading the same story.
    I don't even think we are reading the same theory lol.

    As an example:

    Blackbeard theories rely on him being the one to topple the World Government
    This is the first time I have ever read the theory that Blackbeard will topple the World-Government. Don't know which theory you are referring but that really ain't the theory that has been argued in this very thread.

    Blackbeard has been alive for 40 years;
    LWhat a nice way to practically ignore how Blackbeard is ALSO part of D, who were, at the very least, central to the void century stuff. Who, by the way, also has interest in studying history.

    And Blackbeard is already stated to be unusually unique, such as him eating two devil fruits or him not sleeping.

    There is FAR more to Blackbeard and his relevance in the story that you are giving him credit for and downright ignoring the series.

    The greater conflict is bigger than Blackbeard
    Luffy represents the good side of D and Blackbeard represents the evil side of D clan.

    What will World-Government represent at the end of the series? That the organization that Luffy challenged multiple times already.....is dirty and corrupted? You think the series is basically building up the void-century as a "D good, government bad therefore government needs to fall" type scenario? Despite the fact that literally the audience knows how corrupted the World-Government already is?

    Even though Ray talking about Sh's needing to take their time and coming to a different conclusion thus hinting at the fact that the conflict is a bit more complex then what we, as the audience, see it as?

    Joy Boy and the Roger Pirates are the only ones to have landed on Laugh Tale
    Sorry but this is factually incorrect.

    Joy Boy didn't "land" or "found" the Laugh tale. We have literally no clue what Joy Boy's role was aside from the fact that he is the only named character, aside from Toki, that have actual ties to the Void century stuff.

    I don't know where you got the whole "Joy Boy found laugh tale" from when Oda hasn't given us much in that regard. In fact, the possibility that Joy Boy himself "created" Laugh tale is more significant and true than whatever you are suggesting over here.

    Infighting among the D's is far less central to the main conflict than the true heir to the will of D taking up the mantle of their original forebear and rising up to challenge the world.
    What are you even talking about? One Piece only has one-plot; both things are equally central to the series.

    Teach has any business on Laugh Tale after reading chapter 967. To even mention him in the same breath as Luffy, Roger, and Joy Boy is a terrible misreading of the series and its themes.
    Blackbeard is named after the most famous pirate of all time.

    He is also an evil version of Luffy........And his crew consist of darker version of SH's.

    He is also the only evil D in the series thus far aside from Rocks, who mind you caused Roger and Garp to team up and save World Nobles and the entire event is practically shrouded in mystery with very few knowing exactly what happened.

    Is there anyone in Navy that caused Roger to do that? Hmmmm.

    Whitebeard knew - and he said that Teach isn't the one
    I love how Whitebeard in his extremely important speech about One Piece and the important event that will happen when its found name drops Teach, not any other villain or character, and that somehow makes you think "hmmm Blackbeard isn't important".

    Do you understand the text? Whitebeard name drops Teach. Im shows the bounty-poster of Teach, alongside Luffy, Vivi and Shirahoshi but again, you think that Oda isn't trying to tell you anything with that.

    have all hid the message for centuries so that the right person will inherit the message and the means to achieve victory where they failed 800 years ago.
    You basically figured out the entire theory but somehow still refuses to accept it.

    But here; all those people are waiting for the *right* person to inherit the message thus displaying the good side of the D clan. What happens when the person to inherit the message isn't the "right" one? What happens when the person inheriting the message represents the darker or more evil side of the D clan.

    If Luffy is good then Blackbeard is bad. They represent the same clan, just different intentions.

    But I'll humor you for a second; where does the World-Government lie in this situation? Because as we know, the Laugh Tale is going to be a revelation which will then cause Luffy and his crew to act upon it.

    That particular revelation can't be *just* about the Government being bad because.......literally no one in the crew doubts or in the audience questions that. That has been one of the most obvious depictions since the beginning of the series. And it more importantly wouldn't require the SH's to travel the world and come to a different conclusion than Roger pirates because Ray implies certain level of interpretation whereas your scenario doesn't and states the very obvious. Which again comes back to Luffy interpreting the good aspect of it and Blackbeard interpreting the bad aspect of it.

    Luffy's big showdown during the end isn't going to be another EL or Marineford or whatnot.

    And also you seem to be mistaken about the entire Blackbeard theory since you seem to think that the ending war will be a one-on-one rather than a three-sided battle which will then become a Luffy vs Blackbeard fight.

    People who generally aren't familiar with the Blackbeard theory tends to make it seem like Blackbeard supporters are presenting a small-scale battle when that has never been the case. The battle has always been theorized to be really big in scale and will feature ancients weapons and what not.

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    And come on; who the hell do you guy think will be the final opponent for Luffy in a pirate series?

    I'm surprised that sooooooooo many still refuse to believe the obvious direction Oda is going into.

  14. #2234

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    At This point I wanna rule out Akainu as Final Villain cause right now I see him as the final obstacle for Sabo/Dragon more than Luffy.

    My Current list of Final Villain includes:
    *Shanks
    *Blackbeard
    *Im
    *Coby

    This 4 is the current candidate for me but right now I don't see Coby matching Luffy's Skill.

  15. #2235

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    Shanks is dying before the end of the series at the hands of Blackbeard. So yea.

    Best choice lol.

    Will be antag definitely but can't see him/her being the final villain unless Oda reaches Naruto level which I don't think is really possible.

    Lol. Coby being considered the final villain is something I can't really comprehend.

  16. #2236

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    Shanks and Coby are so unlikely as final villains that I would legit bet my soul that wouldn't happen

  17. #2237

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    I'd go with:
    -Blackbeard
    -Im (+ Gorosei)
    -Akainu (+3admirals)
    -Kidd
    -Rocks ?
    -Other

    I know it doesn't make it 10 choices, but these are for me the best candidates

    Or maybe we should wait the end of Wano to have a new poll. By then Kaido and Bigmom will be out of the picture anyway
    Every nation gets the government it deserves.---- Joseph de Maistre

  18. #2238

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post
    Shanks is dying before the end of the series at the hands of Blackbeard. So yea.
    Leyend says, Oda likes to spend his free time reading and crushing theories on the internet.
    You didt have enough with Shillew not getting Jozu's fruit?? Ok let me kill Shanks with someone else then.

  19. #2239

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    Yeah! That theory isn't strong anymore.With Im in the picture,Shank can have other ways to die or causes to die for. But final villain is still BB to me.
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”


  20. #2240

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    also see no chance of shanks dying to Blackbeard, so cliche, rather him getting attacked by the marines and killed by akainu

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