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    Can we see Urarvity and Froppy Action in this arc?

    Please?

    I would like that very much.

  2. #8082

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    Ugh, sometimes i just hate the need for main characters

  3. #8083

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    Everyone saw mirio losing his quirk but who called that he would go on with it in the same battle?

    Will deku offer him one for all?
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  4. #8084

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    I don't want 3 OFA users around.

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    Even if he did, Mirio would likely refuse the offer.
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    So the top student at UA gets Rock Lee'd on the first job we see him on. Fantastic...

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    Mirio had death flags all over him from the moment he showed up. This is perhaps an even more cruel way to have him go. Crippled by the loss of his quirk, forced to watch Deku and the others from the sidelines as at most a mediocre hero (or more likely, an above average policeman), despite all the efforts he made to get to the top.

    All because All Might got trigger happy with passing on OFA.

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    Even though the "twist" was very predictable I loved Mirio in this chapter. From his motivation to being hit and then continuing to fight. Such a badass character.

    Would've been a great chapter if it wasn't for two things: Mirio's battle getting offscreened at the last minute and Deku coming to save the day. I like Deku and there's still the possibility for him to end up in a supportive role, but Mirio should be the one to finish the fight. Deku could deal with the remaining underlings.
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    Dunno, thought that was pretty great. Probably enjoyed it more than any OP chapter in recent memory.
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    Mirio couldn't have defeated Chisaki on his own since he was only surviving the ground spikes before because of his quirk. Him winning a 2-3 on 1 fight on physical ability alone is too much to believe in this series. It's also exactly the reason Deku couldn't be a hero without a quirk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zar View Post
    Would've been a great chapter if it wasn't for two things: Mirio's battle getting offscreened at the last minute and Deku coming to save the day. I like Deku and there's still the possibility for him to end up in a supportive role, but Mirio should be the one to finish the fight. Deku could deal with the remaining underlings.
    I agree about Quirkless Mirio getting off-screened, but hopefully we still see that struggle explored while Deku is around. I disagree about having only Deku deal with underlings though. Like Wokky said, there is no way that Mirio should be able to finish off Overhaul without his Quirk. This fight so far has done a great job of both showing how rightfully strong one of the Big Three is while respecting the teamwork and tenacity of a weaker main arc antagonist crew. Mirio pushing on to the point of victory would spoil that balance a bit, as well as feel like a retread of All-Might versus All-For-One. This should feel tragic at the end of the day and harken back to the reality Deku understood of being Quirkless in a world of Quirks, and to do that, he should not be able to win in a Quirkless state. And Deku deserves to have some beef with Overhaul for letting Eri go.

    I wonder why Overhaul considers Quirks to be an "illness". That would be something very interesting to explore, and hopefully isn't only general big talk about how superheroes are nothing without powers.

    I hope Chronostasis isn't completely out of commission though. I don't think we have seen his Quirk yet. Judging by his name, I wonder if it's Za Warudo.

    It would suck if not only the girls' fight got skipped (there is still hope that their battle connects to how the heroes escape at the end of the arc), but Nejire was the only member of the Big Three to not get a flashback. Then she would really feel like the cheap token female of the group.

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    I agree about Quirkless Mirio getting off-screened, but hopefully we still see that struggle explored while Deku is around. I disagree about having only Deku deal with underlings though. Like Wokky said, there is no way that Mirio should be able to finish off Overhaul without his Quirk. This fight so far has done a great job of both showing how rightfully strong one of the Big Three is while respecting the teamwork and tenacity of a weaker main arc antagonist crew. Mirio pushing on to the point of victory would spoil that balance a bit, as well as feel like a retread of All-Might versus All-For-One. This should feel tragic at the end of the day and harken back to the reality Deku understood of being Quirkless in a world of Quirks, and to do that, he should not be able to win in a Quirkless state. And Deku deserves to have some beef with Overhaul for letting Eri go.
    Now that I think about it more closely, I realize my problem isn't with Deku coming to save the day but that Mirio didn't get a proper "finisher". The fight should've been continued so the reader got to experience Mirio slowly being worn out. It would've increased tensions and created a more natural (if predictable) bridge to Deku's entrance. Instead we go right from the height of Mirio's hype where it seems he has the upper hand only to suddenly see him losing. It creates this feeling where instead of Deku saving a beloved character who fought with everything he had, it feels like Mirio was pushed aside so Deku could steal his spotlight. If that makes sense.

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    Mirio couldn't have defeated Chisaki on his own since he was only surviving the ground spikes before because of his quirk. Him winning a 2-3 on 1 fight on physical ability alone is too much to believe in this series. It's also exactly the reason Deku couldn't be a hero without a quirk.
    I disagree with this part. I hate to pull the Batman card, but I'm pulling the Batman card. Dude had contingency plans to take down just about every known villain and hero, and could believably take down entire groups with nothing but some gadgets and smarts. Deku has that kind of analytical ability and, through UA, has access to the gadgets.

    To me, the foot up my crotch is that UA's fucking principle is basically quirkless. Sure, he's a talking rodent, but his ability is literally just super intelligence, and he's still a great enough hero to be educating the cream of the next generation's crop. And even if you say 'but he's SUPER intelligent and Deku's just regular intelligent', look at Sir Nighteye. His quirk only works on one person once a day, meaning that, aside from helping formulate plans, and maybe being able to school a single opponent if the stars align, he fights naked of any quirks. Also, Mei's quirk is literally just that her eyes can be binoculars, and even though she's not in the heroics department, that is definitely by choice. She beat Iida with basic high school level cunning and her own tech. Deku's definitely smarter and, even without his quirk, stronger than her, so he should be able to do amazing things with intelligence alone. Also, finally, consider how well Mirio is doing here without even an ounce of the smarts Deku has.

    I'm 90% convinced that Deku was given a quirk by editor meddling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zar View Post
    Now that I think about it more closely, I realize my problem isn't with Deku coming to save the day but that Mirio didn't get a proper "finisher". The fight should've been continued so the reader got to experience Mirio slowly being worn out. It would've increased tensions and created a more natural (if predictable) bridge to Deku's entrance. Instead we go right from the height of Mirio's hype where it seems he has the upper hand only to suddenly see him losing. It creates this feeling where instead of Deku saving a beloved character who fought with everything he had, it feels like Mirio was pushed aside so Deku could steal his spotlight. If that makes sense.
    Exactly. That is why I agreed with your first issue. You make perfect sense here.

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    I disagree with this part. I hate to pull the Batman card, but I'm pulling the Batman card. Dude had contingency plans to take down just about every known villain and hero, and could believably take down entire groups with nothing but some gadgets and smarts. Deku has that kind of analytical ability and, through UA, has access to the gadgets.

    To me, the foot up my crotch is that UA's fucking principle is basically quirkless. Sure, he's a talking rodent, but his ability is literally just super intelligence, and he's still a great enough hero to be educating the cream of the next generation's crop. And even if you say 'but he's SUPER intelligent and Deku's just regular intelligent', look at Sir Nighteye. His quirk only works on one person once a day, meaning that, aside from helping formulate plans, and maybe being able to school a single opponent if the stars align, he fights naked of any quirks. Also, Mei's quirk is literally just that her eyes can be binoculars, and even though she's not in the heroics department, that is definitely by choice. She beat Iida with basic high school level cunning and her own tech. Deku's definitely smarter and, even without his quirk, stronger than her, so he should be able to do amazing things with intelligence alone. Also, finally, consider how well Mirio is doing here without even an ounce of the smarts Deku has.

    I'm 90% convinced that Deku was given a quirk by editor meddling.
    But Deku doesn't have Batman's financial superpowers either...

    Nah, this is an entirely fair critique. In most cases just high level physical training would be enough to let a quirkless person get by as a low level hero, and denying someone that opportunity is rather short-sighted. However, there are a couple in-universe justifications that could make it work. For instance, Aizawa has already commented that the entry exam is flawed and that UA (and the culture as a whole) place too much emphasis on flashy quirks.

    I'd also argue that Overhaul (and many of the cleansers) is well above the average hero's pay grade and thus too much for a powerless person, or even most quirks, to deal with unless they have incredible tech support. Mirio's loss here is entirely justified.

    Two quibbles: Deku is likely more tactical than Mei but probably not "smarter" in general, and Nezu is never, iirc, referred to as an actual hero. He's just a very smart administrator as far as we know.

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    Aw man, I'm so sad. Can't believe I what I just saw. Why didn't I think of the possibility of Hirokoshi using Mirio's hero name as the title? You win again.

    A gut punching chapter. Love Mirio didn't miss a beat and kept on fighting. And, I'm fine with him taking on those guys quirkless. The two minions could barely move and Overhaul got a good beatdown eariler. Mirio should be able to finish him off.

    Not sure what's up with Chronostatis not using his quirk. Must have a big drawback. Guess he's Overhaul's escape plan. As for Deku, I doubt he's taking on Overhaul. He'll mostly protect Eri and Mirio. Mirio should be the one to send Overhaul packing. Not smart enough and crap facilities, Chronostatis? If only there was an amoral scientist with a lab with no problems experimenting on children somewhere. Holy hell, the Villain Alliance has a lot going for them. And that's not counting that radio villain I'm sure one of them recruited off-screen.

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    I loved the idea and execution of Mirio's character but I feel a lot of it was missing proper build up. We just haven't really grown to know Mirio well enough for this to work effectively as a pay off as much as it could have, notice how the author put in three pages of Mirio montage flashbacks when these sort of scenes only have one, probably because the author had ideas for exploring Mirio that he never got to introduce properly. Then you offscreen most of Mirio fighting quirkless which was disappointing followed by Deku rushing in at the end which isn't as big an impact as it could be since he totally feels disconnected to the emotion of the situation, even if he was one of the heroes who had to abandon Eri, there just hasn't been proper emotional and stakes buildup. Like say he had a hard, desperate fight getting through an underling to get to Mirio where you really feel his desperation and drive to fight Eri. Instead they were given to Red Riot, Fat Gum and Suneater, two of them minor side characters (and let's not forget how neglected the female characters are).

    Horikoshi has good ideas for a shonen manga but his structuring still needs a lot of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    I wonder why Overhaul considers Quirks to be an "illness". That would be something very interesting to explore, and hopefully isn't only general big talk about how superheroes are nothing without powers.
    I guess it's not about Quirks, but the dreams of becoming heroes they give. I guess it's more clear here.

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    Instead they were given to Red Riot, Fat Gum and Suneater, two of them minor side characters (and let's not forget how neglected the female characters are).
    Isn't Mirio also a minor side character?

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    I reqlly like the work on Mirio's character in the last 2 chapters. You can feel the drive, the passion and the need to help the helpless. I like that he wasn't given some kind of awful flaw that would make him unworthy of All-Might or Night's high regards for him.

    This chapter mostly continue that trend.

    A moment I think that One Piec3 didn't sell was Ace proficiency without his fruit. We are just told he is awesome without it but never get to see. In this moment where Mirio disreguard his loss and continue for Chisaki you can both how strong he truly as he is still landing his hit but also how driven he is from him barely flinching from losing his power. In that respect That's one of the best sequence of the author. And I really think Mirio's face sell his determination. For a brief moment I even wondered if he would get to win as a last testimony of his power before having to retire. But there was little chance of it hapenning and it's a testament of how much I like the character that I considered such opportunity.

    Sadly the ending I really don't like. First the choice to not a longer fight with the quirkless Mirio but mostly the way Deku's entry is played. Mirio just lost his quirk and I think the chapter should have kept the focus on him. Instead the last pages really wants you to focus on how much awesome Deku is.

    Anyway I found it interezting how both Broodingteen and Mirio were given such important fights and focus while the girl hasn't recieve any yet. Maybe it comes later this arc but the main character is currently facing the bad guy of the arc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    I guess it's not about Quirks, but the dreams of becoming heroes they give. I guess it's more clear here.

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    Isn't Mirio also a minor side character?
    Yeah, you're right about it being more about dreams than actual powers. I would still like to see this explored more though.

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