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    Demonstrators pack public squares. Flames shoot into the air. Tear gas sends crowds scrambling. Bodies are carried from the streets.

    Dramatic scenes are unfolding during anti-government protests worldwide.

    The images are striking, and things are heating up quickly. What's happening on the ground?

    Here's a cheat-sheet guide to the protests in Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand, Bangladesh and Brazil.
    UKRAINE
    Spoiler:
    What are the protesters' demands?

    Who's a better economic ally, Europe or Russia? That's the key issue at the heart of Ukraine's protests.Demonstrators want the government to forge closer ties with Europe and turn away from Russia.
    But the dispute is also about power. Many in the opposition have called for the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and the ordering of new elections. And both on the streets and in parliament, they've also pushed to alter the government's overall power structure, feeling that too much of it rests with Yanukovych and not enough with parliament.

    Who's protesting?

    An opposition coalition has been leading the charge against Yanukovych and his allies.
    On CNN iReport, protesters and onlookers have shared more than 100 photos and videos of clashes between demonstrators and police. The nighttime images are especially striking -- figures aresilhouetted against large bonfires set alight in the streets.

    When did the demonstrations start?

    In November, thousands spilled onto the streets after Yanukovych did a U-turn over a trade pact with the European Union that had been years in the making -- with Yanukovych favoring closer relations with Russia instead.

    What's the latest?

    Ukraine is far from out of the woods. Talk of secession by the Crimea and the country's east is still doing the rounds and one scenario being discussed is the annexation of Crimea by Russia. This would be a repeat performance of the occupation by Russian forces of Abkhazia in 2008 and could lead to an alarming confrontation between Moscow and whatever future government emerges in Kiev. Yesterday Russian "delegates" were in Kharkiv as Crimean political figures called for "protection". It is possible the threat of a fracturing Ukraine is being deliberately stage-managed. Much will hinge on whether Russia stays on the sidelines. While the opposition is now pushing for earlier elections than had been envisaged in the EU-brokered deal to end the violence, the May elections being asked for by some might exacerbate the crisis.

    01.03.2014
    Vladimir Putin made ​​an appeal to the Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.

    The full text of the document:


    "Due to the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, threatening the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation , our compatriots , the personnel of the military contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation located in accordance with the international agreement on the territory of Ukraine ( Autonomous Republic of Crimea ) , on the basis of paragraph " d " part 1 of Article 102 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation am submitting to the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation appeal for use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine to the normalization of the political situation in this country. "

    VENEZUELA
    Spoiler:
    What are the protesters' demands?

    Demonstrators are demanding better security, an end to goods shortages and protected freedom of speech.
    They blame Venezuela's government, led by President Nicolas Maduro, for those problems. Maduro and other officials blame the opposition for the country's security and economic problems.

    Who's protesting?

    Many demonstrators across the country are students. Prominent opposition politicians have also led protests and joined marches.
    Since February 13, more than 1,100 images have been uploaded to iReport, CNN's user-generated platform. Many of the videos and photos are gruesome and depict violent scenes between demonstrators and police.

    When did the demonstrations start?

    On February 2nd, students from Universidad de los Andes in San Cristobal went out into the streets. Due to the heavy-handed response by the authorities, the protests quickly gained support from students elsewhere and now have spread to many other parts of civil society especially – but not only – in the middle class. Many large and several smaller cities are now seeing protests every day.

    What's the latest?

    As throngs of supporters chanted their support, opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez turned himself in to authorities Tuesday.
    Lopez remained in a military prison Thursday as the government pressed terrorism and murder charges against him, his wife said. Lopez has denied the charges, which are connected with violence during the protests.
    Maduro, meanwhile, has called members of the opposition fascists and compared them to an infection that needs to be cured. Officials have also accused the United States of plotting to destabilize the government.

    THAILAND
    Spoiler:
    What are the protesters' demands?

    Protesters in Bangkok have been calling for months for the ouster of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who they allege is a puppet of her billionaire brother, the deposed, exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

    Who's protesting?

    Opposition to Thaksin and Yingluck is strongest among the urban elites and middle class. That's why the demonstrations have been concentrated in Bangkok. The protesters want to replace Yingluck's government with an unelected "people's council" to see through electoral and political changes.
    Thailand residents and visitors have shared dozens of stories of unrest on CNN iReport over the past month. The latest approved photos show demonstrators sleeping in the streets in Bangkok as a form of peaceful protest.

    When did the demonstrations start?

    Protests began in November after Yingluck's government tried to pass an amnesty bill that would have paved the way for her brother's return to the political fray.

    What's the latest?

    Deadly violence erupted in the heart of Bangkok on Tuesday asanti-government protesters clashed with police, and the country's anti-corruption commission filed charges against the Prime Minister.

    BANGLADESH
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    The protests began last year with people demanding the death penalty for a Muslim cleric collaborating with the Pakistani army and engaging in widespread communal violence against minority Hindus in the period of unrest before the Bangladeshi liberation war of 1971. The man was the leader of the Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, a key alliance partner of the center-right Bangladesh National Party, the main opposition in the Assembly. Later demands included banning of the Jamaat from political activity. In response to the protests, the incumbent center-left Awami League government fast-tracked his (and other war criminals') trial through the Supreme Court of Bangladesh, which promptly converted his previous life imprisonment sentence into the death penalty. He was hanged in December last year.
    This decision gave rise to another protest movement, with Islamist parties protesting unfair (in their eyes) prosecution of their leaders and the government colluding with the protestors. Flash-points when the verdict was announced and when the sentence was carried out resulted in especially brutal violence on the streets of Dhaka and widespread deaths (around 60 or so each time).

    Coupled with this, the main opposition and their Islamist allies launched a series of strikes and ground civil machinery to a halt for a total of eighty five days last year. Their demands: the ruling government resign and the Bangladeshi General Election in January 2014 be held under the oversight of a neutral caretaker government of technocrats. The ruling party refused to accede to their demands and so the opposition refused to contest 154 out of the total 300 seats in the assembly, giving the ruling party a simple majority even before polling happened. The Awami League finished with 230 seats in the assembly with the second party on ~30.

    Unrest continues.


    BRAZIL
    Spoiler:
    After protests that took place in July 2013 , Rousseff promised 5 things to Brazil .

    political reform
    tax reform
    Improvement in public health
    Improvement in public education
    Improvement in public transport

    The only thing that really improved was the last , with the creation of specific new routes for buses and subways stations. But the others were not resolved or the government gave a lame excuse , saying that it is solving . With very dubious tactics .

    Starting with " more doctors " program , a government initiative to import doctors from Cuba to attend hospitals without doctors , full of sick people and no equipment in Brazil . In exchange , Brazil has built a harbor in Cuba . On education, Dilma pointed the pre-salt (one oil well found in the depths of the Brazilian coast), claimed that 70% of the profit earned from the sale of royalties will be invested in education, the other 30% will be in transport.

    About the "Prisão de Pedrinhas' in the state of Maranhão, every day several inmates kill other inmates and gang leaders who are inside the prison can use cell phones to control bandits who are out. Lately, vandals are torching buses (and people inside) to claim rights of prisoners.

    Finally the convicts of the case "monthly allowance" were tried, some got 30 years in prison, the problem is that, due to loopholes in the laws of Brazil and the ingenuity of the people (offering to pay the fine, which reaches millions of reais), most the convicts have had their penalty reduced.

    With the possibility of a racist and homophobic man to become the new leader of the human rights commission, the population is not happy and is doing several protests.

    The Black Bloc is making several attacks on banks and shops. The police banned the use of masks at protests, and are arresting everybody who wears a mask at a protest.

    With the return of the militia and its philosophy of "justice with their own hands" in rio de janeiro, they are killing and torturing people in broad day.

    And everything about the World Cup and the Olympics, people say that these events will actually harm Brazil because the country has already spent too much with these events and some stages are still not done. Besides not investing in more important things like education, transport and health.

    With the purchase of votes, called "family allowance" which is nothing more than an allowance for poor families, the dictatorship of the PT is far from over.

    With government support, the system of quotas for Afro-descendants to colleges and government jobs were created. Reserving 20% of seats colleges and government jobs for black people.

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    Another place where there has been a lot of civil unrest over the past year is Bangladesh.

    Spoiler:
    The protests began last year with people demanding the death penalty for a Muslim cleric collaborating with the Pakistani army and engaging in widespread communal violence against minority Hindus in the period of unrest before the Bangladeshi liberation war of 1971. The man was the leader of the Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, a key alliance partner of the center-right Bangladesh National Party, the main opposition in the Assembly. Later demands included banning of the Jamaat from political activity. In response to the protests, the incumbent center-left Awami League government fast-tracked his (and other war criminals') trial through the Supreme Court of Bangladesh, which promptly converted his previous life imprisonment sentence into the death penalty. He was hanged in December last year.
    This decision gave rise to another protest movement, with Islamist parties protesting unfair (in their eyes) prosecution of their leaders and the government colluding with the protestors. Flash-points when the verdict was announced and when the sentence was carried out resulted in especially brutal violence on the streets of Dhaka and widespread deaths (around 60 or so each time).

    Coupled with this, the main opposition and their Islamist allies launched a series of strikes and ground civil machinery to a halt for a total of eighty five days last year. Their demands: the ruling government resign and the Bangladeshi General Election in January 2014 be held under the oversight of a neutral caretaker government of technocrats. The ruling party refused to accede to their demands and so the opposition refused to contest 154 out of the total 300 seats in the assembly, giving the ruling party a simple majority even before polling happened. The Awami League finished with 230 seats in the assembly with the second party on ~30.

    Unrest continues.


    The Thailand protests are throwing up a sharp rural-urban divide, from what I gather. Thaksin and Yingluck enjoy strong support in the countryside, and there have been a few interviews where people from those areas have expressed skepticism and annoyance at the attitude of the entitled intelligentsia protesting in Bangkok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldud View Post
    Another place where there has been a lot of civil unrest over the past year is Bangladesh.

    Spoiler:
    The protests began last year with people demanding the death penalty for a Muslim cleric collaborating with the Pakistani army and engaging in widespread communal violence against minority Hindus in the period of unrest before the Bangladeshi liberation war of 1971. The man was the leader of the Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, a key alliance partner of the center-right Bangladesh National Party, the main opposition in the Assembly. Later demands included banning of the Jamaat from political activity. In response to the protests, the incumbent center-left Awami League government fast-tracked his (and other war criminals') trial through the Supreme Court of Bangladesh, which promptly converted his previous life imprisonment sentence into the death penalty. He was hanged in December last year.
    This decision gave rise to another protest movement, with Islamist parties protesting unfair (in their eyes) prosecution of their leaders and the government colluding with the protestors. Flash-points when the verdict was announced and when the sentence was carried out resulted in especially brutal violence on the streets of Dhaka and widespread deaths (around 60 or so each time).

    Coupled with this, the main opposition and their Islamist allies launched a series of strikes and ground civil machinery to a halt for a total of eighty five days last year. Their demands: the ruling government resign and the Bangladeshi General Election in January 2014 be held under the oversight of a neutral caretaker government of technocrats. The ruling party refused to accede to their demands and so the opposition refused to contest 154 out of the total 300 seats in the assembly, giving the ruling party a simple majority even before polling happened. The Awami League finished with 230 seats in the assembly with the second party on ~30.

    Unrest continues.


    The Thailand protests are throwing up a sharp rural-urban divide, from what I gather. Thaksin and Yingluck enjoy strong support in the countryside, and there have been a few interviews where people from those areas have expressed skepticism and annoyance at the attitude of the entitled intelligentsia protesting in Bangkok.
    Thank you for this information! We(ukraine) don't get to hear a lot from that side, personally I wouldn't even know about Venezuela or Thailand or Bandladesh if it wasn't for internet.

    I wonder if it's just me, but does the level of unrest in the world just seems to keep growing and growing?

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    From my side, this is an issue that has been cooking for over 50 years, so.. It's not something unexpected. Also, it's not that there's more unrest, is that is both easier to know, and you are older and more interested in these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    From my side, this is an issue that has been cooking for over 50 years, so.. It's not something unexpected. Also, it's not that there's more unrest, is that is both easier to know, and you are older and more interested in these things.
    :/ Oh well, growing up is overrated. As far as I am concerned everything is a slow ticking time bomb. Over here people are already looking forward to when russians and belarusians will deal with their government ( a bit too early to think about that, I know).

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    BTW great picture .
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    I think it's fascinating how these are all from vastly different parts of the world. Thailand's is pretty darn different, but the Ukraine and Venezuela situations are very similar in lots of ways.

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    Meanwhile what went in Ukraine today:
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    • 12:32 - A fairly unexpected, yet very straight-forward statement, as for Russian television, was made by Leonid Pilunsky, a member of Crimean Parliament today.
      In a live feed of Russian news on a state run station, an anchor asked MP Leonid Pilunsky from Crimea about the situation there. Here is his response: In Crimea everything is peaceful; except that we feel that the Crimean’s government consisting of members of the Party of Regions that have been in power for the last 12 years have stolen from people so much that they are afraid of any changes in government. They are the only ones that worsen situation in Crimnea, and organize “titushki” and “gopniki” for some meetings. Yesterday, they attempted to change the Constitution even though Crimnea’s government has no power to do so since they do not represent all citizens of Crimnea. The situation is calm for the most part; people do not participate in their organized meetings. Any support for Maidan is peaceful and absolutely harmless...Maximum 200 people will come together in support of Maidan, and they quietly and peacefully….. [the phone line got disconnected and the TV anchor blamed bad telephone connection].
    • 15:35 - Ukrainian skier Bogdana Matostha has told the BBC that she could not bring herself to compete in today's slalom event at the Sochi Winter Olympics while people were being killed in the violence back home. The 24-year old said family and friends were involved in anti-government protests. Getting home, she said, is proving difficult. She and her father, who is also her coach, are still waiting for a flight to Kiev. - "BBC News"
    • 16:10 - Ukrainian opposition leaders have signed the EU-brokered agreement with President Yanukovych aimed at ending the crisis in the country. The terms of the deal have not yet been officially announced. However, President Yanukovych said in a statement earlier today he would restore the 2004 constitution and initiate early presidential elections. - "BBC News"
    • "Alex Marshall tweets: Three opposition leaders denounced as "traitors" from the stage on #euromaidan for sitting down to negotiate with Yanukovych. " - twitter via @ATMarshall2013
    • 15:21 - More from the Ukraine parliament: MPs have also voted to approve an unconditional amnesty for protesters involved in violence and those currently detained or who might face possible prosecution during the unrest. - "BBC News"
    • 15-50 - Comments of the Leader of the "Pravyi sector "(Right Wing) in connection with the Statement of Yanukovych .
      "After reading the statement from Yanukovych, we have to state the obvious fact that the criminal regime is still not sufficiently aware of no cost of its own misdeeds, nor force of the people's wrath .
      This statement does not include a clear commitment to dismiss the pseudo- president, to dissolve parliament, the inaction of which led to the escalation of the conflict, for punishing the leaders of law enforcement agencies and executors of criminal orders, which resulted in hundreds of Ukrainian citizens being killed (including immediate arrest V. Zaharchenko, commanders of "Berkut" and snipers-murderers as well as suspension from duties of O.Yakimenko, V. Pshonka and P. Lebedev, followed by an investigation of their activities), to ban the activities of the Party of Regions and the Communist Party and in respect of guarantees of safety of all participants of revolutionary actions.
      Therefore, we tend to see in this statement of Yanukovych another fraud. The National revolution continues. And it will end with a complete elimination of the internal regime of occupation and the establishment of a Ukrainian nation-state with a comprehensive national system of democracy.' - Facebook page of Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Right Wing
    • 16:53 - CONSTITUTION OF 2004 RETURNED
      Parliament returned in the constitution of 2004.
      386 deputies voted for this decision.
    • 17:15 - The Security Service of Ukraine will stop all attempts at Ukraine’s territory indivisibility, according to a statement issued on Friday.
    • 17:36 - On Maidan, crowded with people, the dead are being paid their respects, says a reporter for BBC Ukraine.
      Spoiler:

      "I was just walking with the mourners. Priests are singing from the stage. Doctors are being called from time to time. People get sick. A lot of them are crying. They have their heads bowed in silence. The areas of the pavement where blood has congealed have been surrounded by blue-and-yellow ribbons and pieces of cobblestones wrapped in black ribbons. There are several caskets right next to the stage. You can hear fireworks. The names of the dead are being called, they call them heroes.
    • 17: 45 - Rosa Khutior, Russia, February 21, 2014 (AFP) - Olympics: Ukraine takes gold in women's team biathlon relay.
    • 18:12 - MP’s voted for the removal of Minister of Internal Affairs Vitaliy Zakharchenko. On Tuesday the according project was put to vote in the Parliament by the leader of “Fatherland” Arseniy Yatsenyuk. In the beginning the formulation of the document held that it would be effective immediately, however this was changed in the later draft. Now the resignation of Zakharchenko will come into effect together with the Constitution of 2004. - “TSN.ua"
    • 18:40 - In another major development, Ukraine's parliament has just voted in favour of amending a law that could see the release of the jailed opposition leader, Yulia Tymoshenko. - "BBC News" Just my IMHO
    • 18:40 - The Ministry of Internal Affairs announced evacuation
      According to a source the Ministry is taking out, documents, weapons , computer equipment and other possessions.
      Reported by ZN.UA who cites their own sources .
      We are noting that in the Interior Ministry thinks that the removal of the cordon around the parliament building and the presidential administration is associated with the fulfillment of the resolution to revoke the law enforcement officers from the center of Kyiv, that was adopted by Verkhovna Rada.
      “Right now we are clarifying the reason. But, perhaps, it is connected to the resolution approved by the parliament,” said the Office of Public Relations of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.
      In turn , MP Anatoly Gritsenko reported that 1100 fighters of Internal Troops “Berkut” are leaving the security blocks on Bankova str; they aregoing home to the regions , places of permanent deployment . According to him, the commanders of "Berkut" and other units of the Interior Ministry have made the decision to leave the government quarter. - argumentua.com
    • 19:11 - The automaidan movement states that they do not accept any agreements with the government and its concessions, Sergei Hadzhynov said.
      "We do not accept anything except the resignation of Yanukovych!"
      The movement are asking for 5 more agreements:
      1. Immediate resignation of the criminal Yanukovych and for early presidential elections!
      2. Suspension and punishment of all perpetrators of criminal orders - syloviky , prosecutors , judges, traffic police inspector - all!
      3. The release of prisoners and the closure of all proceedings against activists including automaidan and other brothers in the struggle. Assistance budget to all the victims and families of victims.
      4. Signing of the association agreement with the European Union as a guarantee of democracy in the country.
      5. Eliminate illegal formation known as "Berkut". - "Pravda"
    • 20:00 - CRIMEAN PARLIAMENT TODAY: UNITY, NO SEPARATISM
      In Simferopol, the announced on Friday "separatist" session of the Crimean parliament failed. Instead, the majority of deputies gathered at the enlarged meeting of the Party of Regions, which discussed the political situation in Ukraine and supported its territorial integrity. The Speaker of the Crimean Parliament, member of Party of Regions, Vladimir Konstantinov, despite a promise to journalists left. A Security Service of Ukraine, meanwhile threatened to "some politicians' responsibility for separatism.
    • 20:14 - During the meetings on Rada Maidan, Foreign Ministers of Germany, France and Poland Frank-Walter Steinmeier , Laurent Fabius and Radoslaw Sikorski accordingly, promised that after the appointment of the new Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine they will not only initiate the signing of an association agreement , but a full accession of Ukraine to the European Union.
      Stated by the “UDAR” MP Sergei Kunitsyn, says RBK -Ukraine .
      “All of Europe on their behalf ( Walter Steinmeier , Laurent Fabius and Radoslaw Sikorski ) authorized them to act as guarantors of this agreement. Council of representatives of Maidan addressed them so that the European position will be heard ... about whether or not the association will be signed and they said "yes" - with the new government we commit ourselves not only to guarantee the signing of the association agreement, but also a full entry of Ukraine to the European Union. This is very important,” said Kunitsyn .
      “Comments” reported that today the agreement to resolve the crisis in the country was signed in the Presidential Administration. President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovich, the leaders of Ukrainian opposition, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Poland and Germany, a representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of France and Lukin all participated in the preparation of it. - "Comments.ua"
    • Crowds pointing to coffins Independence Square #kiev as leaders try to sell deal. Man grabs mike and shouts President has until 10am to leave. - "BBC News"
    • 20:28 - Vitali Klitschko has announced to euromaidan that they have given an ultimatum to President Yanukovych to resign by 10am or face and armed attack.

      One man was quoted saying "I beg you: Support our movement. If there is no statement by 10am tomorrow saying that Yanukovych is going to resign, we will go with weapons, I swear!" Protestors cheered at the man.

      A far-right faction "Right Sector" also stated that they will continue their fight until Yanukovych resigns. "Right sector" calls upon all parties to continue Maidan's common struggle against the regime of internal occupation"- said the leader Yarosh. According to Yarosh, his movement "will not lay down arms" until the resignation of Yanukovych and until all requirements are met, namely Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko and commanders of "Berkut" and everyone who ordered the use of force to be arrested.

      Protesters also have siezed a water cannon and are parked along Hrushevskoho ready to attack tomorrow. - "Pravda and ZN.ua"
    • 20:51 - The bill of impeachment of the President of Ukraine registered in the Parliament by number 4171. As stated on the website of the Verkhovna Rada, the author of the document is the MP Nikolay Rudkovskiy (independent).
    • 20:56 - About 300 students entered a section of Kiev's Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine building. Their main requirement was to stop the pressure on students participating in Maidan and wanted to meet with Education Minister Dmitry Tabachnik.
    • 21:46 - In Obukhov district, which is in Kyiv suburbs, a cottage of Medvedchuk has been set on fire. - "Ukrayinska Pravda"

      Trivia : Medvechuck is chairman of the pro-Russian political organization Ukrainian Choice( bashed on EU, tries to sell the idea of Eurasian Union), Russia's president Vladimir Putin is the godfather of Medvedchuk's daughter Darina
    • Cloudy with a chance of Lenin
      Spoiler:

    • 23:49 - Vitaliy Zakharchenko plans to escape from Ukraine today. Citing his own sources, this was announced by MP from the Fatherland Andrew Paruby.
    • 02:28 - the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine) is opening criminal cases against both the governor of Kharkiv Oblast and the mayor of Kharkiv city. The reason — separatism. Below is a translation:
      The Ukrainian Security Service has opened a criminal case nagainst the mayor of Kharkiv, Gennady Kernes, and the governor of the Kharkiv oblast, Mikhail Dobkin. This was announced by the former Interior Minister, Yuri Lutsenko, while conversing with protesters at the Maidan barricades, according to Segodnya.ua.
      “I spoke with high-ranking officals at the SBU [Security Service], and I was informed that, on account of separatist declarations, the SBU had opened a criminal case against Mayor Kernes of Kharkiv and Governor Dobkin of the Kharkiv oblast”, said Lutsenko.Let us recall that Gennady Kernes and Mikhail Dobkin have previously made statements regarding the federalisation of Ukraine. Dobkin has also stated that he has the right to impose a “special” regime in the Kharkiv oblast. Suggestions were already being heard in January that the officials could be brought to justice for such claims.
    • 01:15 - President Yanukovych's private jet AOJ92C has been spotted flying over Georgia. So evidently he`s not flying to Kharkiv, as officially stated before. According to TVI, Volodymyr Rybak, Andrii Klyuyev and Vadym Novitsky are onboard along with the President. - "Euromaidan News Team", TVI

      UPDATE at 02:29: Still looking for the confirmation whether Yanukovych is really onboard. However, you can join us tracking this flight using the link: http://www.flightradar24.com/AOJ92C/2c1d69f

      UPDATE at 02:36: As Radio Aristocrates informs, their correspondent at the Kharkiv airport are reporting that the plane with Yanukovich didn`t land in Kharkiv. However, the politologist Romanenko is stating the opposite.

      UPDATE at 02:29: Berlin daily newspaper @ BlnTageszeitung 2m @ EuromaidanGER - last position of # Yanukovych oligarchs Jet AOJ92C was Iran, then turned off the transponder!
    • 03:20 - The Private Jet with supposedly President Yanukovych onboard (AOJ92C) is allegedly going to land in Dubai within the next half an hour. It is still unknown where Yanukovych currently is as it is believed he is in Kharkiv. Independent reports indicate the President has not landed at Kharkiv. What's next? - "Euromaidan News Team"
    • Ok the point is, NO ONE KNOW'S WHERE YANUKOVICH PLANE IS GOING, AND EVERYBODY IS JUST POINTING FINGERS


    Well today was awfully productive day for Ukraine's revolution
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    Damnit damnit damint.

    There has been people building barricades in order to stop vehicular trafic, not even the armed bikers or the military, just cars and bikes.

    Tonight some poor sap tried to cross the damned 5 cm barricade and found it's neck being confronted by a wire too small to see. The guy died.

    It's hard enough to protest when we aren't commiting any crimes, I wish to bitchslap the genious that tought that it was a good idea to set up the equivalent of a mine for bikers in a public road.
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    I hope whoever set that wire up hears about what happened. I wouldn't wish life long guilt on even the worst of my enemies, but how they respond to the situation will tell what kind of punsihment life should heap on them. Accidents happen but there are consequences for every action. Especially negligent ones.
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    The worst thing is that I'm sure that there are going to be people defending it.

    The bikers have been long asociated with thieves, kidnapers and murderers, they seldom follow trafic rules and such, so there's this resentment against them.

    Also, I'm sure that the idiot that put it thinks that it's the best idea of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    There has been people building barricades in order to stop vehicular trafic, not even the armed bikers or the military, just cars and bikes.
    Who is doing this? The protestors or the government?

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    Following up from Lef's updates yesterday, apparently the presidential offices in Kiev are unguarded, with protestors controlling the government district. Yanukovych has vanished, a day after signing the peace accords promising early elections.

    Just what is going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Damnit damnit damint.

    There has been people building barricades in order to stop vehicular trafic, not even the armed bikers or the military, just cars and bikes.

    Tonight some poor sap tried to cross the damned 5 cm barricade and found it's neck being confronted by a wire too small to see. The guy died.

    It's hard enough to protest when we aren't commiting any crimes, I wish to bitchslap the genious that tought that it was a good idea to set up the equivalent of a mine for bikers in a public road.
    That's just sick :c

    But from my experience there would always be a genius that would try to discredit revolution in eyes of general population, so it might have been a successful provocation?

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    A lot of deputies are quitting the Party of Regions, like rats running from sinking ship. Resigning from their various positions

    Yanukovich villa in Mejigorie has been taken over by self-defense of Maidan ( personally participated in the march to his villa a long time ago). No one knows where Yanukovich went!

    So I guess this one of victories, now the battlefield would become Harkov.

    Spoiler:



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    Live tour in deserted residence of Yanukovich in Mejigirya

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aronet...20140222020341
    Press is having a blast! XD For so long they couldn't see what went on in that villa, but now!

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    Leninfall continues today


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    • 03:50 - Praviy Sector called for the halt of Party of Regions and Communist party activity by all means, according to statement made by the leader of the organisation Dmitro Kosh on his Facebook page. The central Headquarters of Praviy Sector called the Party of Regions and the Communist party criminal organisations whose activity has to be stopped. - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 10:13 - The Speaker of the Parliament of Ukraine Volodymyr Rybak resigned, according to an announcement made from the tribune of the Parliament by vice-speaker Ruslan Koshulynskiy. His resignation is due to illness and necessary treatment. First vice-speaker Igor Kalietnik also resigned. - "TSN.ua"
    • 10:36 - If President Yankukovych is not located within the next few hours, "the Parliament has to vote for the reestablishment of the Constitutional law," said MP Olexandr Turchynov from the parliamentary booth. "The majority of vice-ministers have disappeared. We do not know where the President is. Therefore the only legitimate government body is the Verkhovna Rada," said Turchynov. - "Ukrayinska Pravda."
    • 11:02 - Party "Svoboda" is preparing a bill to be registered in the Parliament about the transfer of Mezhygirya to government property, said MP Andriy Illyenko from the parliamentary booth. "We got hold of information that the entrance to Mezhygirya is open, there is nobody there. Right now "Svoboda" is registering a bill to pass Mezhygirya to government property. It has to be voted on today," stated Illyenko. He also added: "Whatever will be there – maybe an orphanage, maybe – a corruption museum." - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 11:29 - MP's are continuing to abandon the Party of Regions. Vice-speaker Koshulinsky announced the withdrawal of several Parliament Members. The Party had 205 MP's, now more than 40 have left. - "TSN.ua"
    • 11:29 - MP from the Party of Regions Anna Germon issued a statement that Yanukovych is in Kharkiv, intending to participate in a meeting with the MP's from Southwestern regions. The Head of the Presidential Administration Klyuyev, according to her, is also there. - "TSN.ua"
    • 12:06 - The MIA stated that they are sworn to serve the Ukrainian nation and are calling for the civilians to protect peace together, according to a statement issued by the Ministry. The police is calling for paying respects to the memory of those fallen on Maidan and not to let the destruction of civil protection infrastructure happen." - "Ukrayinska pravda"
    • 12:06 - In the village of Nova Petrivka, where the president's residence is located, people are beginning to gather to see how the Head of State lives. They are also calling for no destruction of the evidence of "the government's tyranny." Journalists were let into Mezhygirya for the first time ever today. - "TSN.ua"
    • 12:58 - The MP's voted on a law against separatism and other threats to Ukrainian national security. The project was voted on by 319 MP's.
      "The Parliament is strictly against any separatist movements and other threats to territorial wholeness of Ukraine," says the statement. - "TSN.ua"
    • 12:24 - President Viktor Yanukovych will not resign, says Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland Radolav Sikorskiy. According to him, during the meeting Yanukovych frequently went outside to talk on the telephone with the President of Russia Vladimir Putin and the Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel, Vice-President of the USA Joe Biden and others.

      "It was a dynamic situation, during which he changed his position. We were able to convince him to do something he did not want to do in the beginning – the shortening of his term," says Sikorskiy to UNIAN. According to him, Yanukovych mentioned in the meeting that he would seek political refuge in Russia and did not promise he wouldn't participate in the next presidential elections. "In a certain moment he went pale. It's a very strenuous time for him," added the Polish Minister. - "TSN.ua"
    • 12:31 - Mikhail Dobkin opened a meeting of the Party of Regions. A meeting of the MP representatives from Southeastern regions and the Crimea of the party began in Kharkiv. The meeting was opened by the governor of Kharkiv Mikhail Dobkin.

      "I would like to say to the hot-heads standing here that they have to wait. We are gathered here today not to allow the separation of the country," said Dobkin. His words were greeted with cries of, "Good Job!" and applause. - Segodnya.ua
    • 12:34 - MP from "Batkivschyna"(Motherland) Olexandr Turchynov elected Speaker of the Parliament. - "TSN.ua"
    • 13:03 - BREAKING NEWS. Verkhovna Rada reinstated the Constitution of 2004 with a vote for the according act, as president Yanukovych did not sign the law voted on in the Rada before. The according act was supported by 325 MP's - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 13:18 - The new head of the Parliament of Ukraine Olexandr Turchynov will be coordinating the work of the Cabinet of Ministers before a coalition government is formed. This was voted on by 314 MP's out of 329 registered in the session hall this Saturday. - TSN.ua
    • 13:29 - The Verkhovna Rada voted for the announcement of distrust to the General Prosecutor of Ukraine. The bill got 247 votes. "Viktor Pshonka is now the ex-General Prosecutor," said speaker Turchynov. - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 13:33 - The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine voted for the resolution #4166, which compies with the international conditions about freeing the imprisoned ex-Prime Miniter Yuliya Timoshenko. There were 322 votes. - focus.ua
    • 13:50 - MP's at the Kharkiv meeting are taking upon themselves all of the government of the country before the establishment of Constitutional Law takes place in Kyiv, according to the resolution of the meeting. "We, the bodies of local government of all levels, the Parliament of the Autonomous Republic of the Crimea, Sevastopol region decided to take responsibility for the provision of the Constitutional law, execution of law and rights of all citizens in the whole territory of Ukraine," says the resolution. This state will be enacted until "Constitutional law is established in Kyiv." Party of Regions member Kolesnichenko is in the meeting hall, shouting: "For friendship with Russia! Economical! Spiritual! Religious!" The hall is screaming: "Russia! Russia!" - "Interfax-Ukraine", "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 13:56 - The bill for "The ratification of the Rome statute of international criminal court" was registered by MP from "Fatherland" Gennadiy Moskal. If the law is passed, our country will join the Rome Statute and the citizens will be able to address the Hague Tribunal in cases of crimes against humanity. Also, the procedure of prosecution of Ukrainian governors will become easier, as right now they can only be persecuted if sued by citizens of other members of the Statute. It is known that Yanukovich can be addressed by the Hague Tribunal. - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 13:57 - Newly-appointed acting Head of MIA Arsen Avakov stated that he will include a representative of "Praviy Sector" in the headship of the MIA. The statement was made during a briefing in the Parliament with the Commandant of Maidan Andriy Parubiy. "A representative of "Praviy Sector" will be included in the leadership of the MIA, representatives of the Self-Defence and other organisations will be included as well in order to work out a common strategy with the leadership of the police about cooperation today," said Avakov. Parubiy, on his part, is calling for the troops of the Self-Defense to organise themselves and put maximum emphasis on the protection of government and other properties from marauders. "We are doing our best to save all the assets and documentation, including those in Mezhygirya, in order to establish a children's hospital there," Parubiy added. Both of them stated that are headed for the MIA Headquarters at the moment and after the meeting will work on solving several questions, including those of Kharkiv and Timoshenko. "I am sure that those attending the meeting in Kharkiv will not attempt to separate." - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 14:34 - Viktor Yanukovych wrote a letter of resignation

      This is reported by sources to Espreso.TV.

      Now the Parliament is to officially announced this.

      http://espreso.tv/new/2014/02/22/yan..._pro_vidstavku
    • 14:08 - The pictures of the documents found in Mezhygirya, with the information on all activists, MPs and journalists. - Vitaliy Umanets via Facebook(4 photos)
    • 14:31 - The ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko was released. Earlier the MP have adopted the bill on her releasing, as TSN reports refererring to hromadske.tv. - LigaBusinessInform
    • 15:00 - In Austria, a criminal case against the head of the presidential administration Andriy Klyuyev is carried out. Prosecution, namely the Department for Combating Economic Crimes and Corruption, holds investigations on two cases "money laundering" and "abuse of power”. This is stated in a reply of prosecution to local Ukrainian activists. – Radio Liberty
      The document:
      "Your presentation on 01.23.2014 was forwarded to the prosecutor of Vienna with regard to proceedings already begun there."
      In a cap letter states as follows:
      "The prosecutor's office of economic crimes and anti-corruption.
      The criminal case.
      Cons:
      accused Andrey Kliuiev
      Born 08/12/1964, Ukr.
    • 15:11 - All workers of the internal forces of the MIA were taken out of Kyiv and to their permanent locations, states the MIA website. "As of 12 p.m. on February 22nd, 2014 the operative army reserves of the internal army forces of the MIA of Ukraine that provided civilian security in Kyiv were returned to their homes," says the MIA. - "Ukrainska Pravda"
    • 15:30 - In the two buildings, where the workers of the channel "Inter" are located, on the crossing between Shchusyeva and Dmitrivska streets, an evacuation has been announced, according to a journalist of the channel who is currently on Dmitrivska street, says Interfax-Ukraina. "They gave us 10 minutes to get our things and leave the buildings. They didn't explain anything," he says. Another journalist said that the evacuation from the building on Shchusyeva street occurred due to a probable attack or arson. - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 15:47 - On the corners of Khreshchatyk and Bogdana Khmelnytskok street a shooting occurred. So far there have been no wounded. We will keep you updated. - "Ukrainska Pravda"
    • 15:50 - Maidan's Self-Defence is standing by Zhulyany airport in order to prevent government officials from leaving the country.

      According to eyewitnesses, the representatives are detaining MP's and not letting them fly out of Kyiv. MP Vladimir Madyanik from the Party of Regions has already been turned around beck to Kyiv, says Interfax-Ukraine. According to earlier news, MP Gennadiy Vasilyev, who left the Party of Regions, has also been sent back to Kyiv. - Focus.ua
    • 16:00 - The formation of a civil movement called "Eastern Front" began on Lenina Square in Donyetsk this Saturday, February 22nd.

      According to Interfax-Ukraina, around five activists with Georgiy ribbons on their clothing places a banner underneath Lenin's statued: "Formation of Eastern Front of Lenina Square." As the organisers explained, their goal is to "self-organise the citizens of Donyetsk to protect the city from radicals."

      As the members of the movement say, the organisation will consist in the formation of troops in order to aid the police to protect civilian peace.

      "The situation in the country is unstable, bandits can come out of their lairs. We are not talking about "Bandera groups," just regular criminals. So we want to protect our city together with the workers of the police in order to prevent disorder," said one of the activists.

      The members of the movement are calling themselves normal Donyetsk residents who want to participate in the life of their city without taking sides of particular political powers.

      They also said they have nothing to do with Kharkiv's "Eastern Front," but they do support the movement's ideas about the federalisation of the Southeastern part of the country. - "Focus.ua"
    • 16:00 - YANUKOVYCH FOUND

      RIGHT NOW HE'S GIVING INTERVIEW !

      - I am ovewhelmed with grief for my country
      I feel responsible

      - Do you remain on the territory of country ?

      - I'm staying on the territory of Ukraine. I will call on all international observers ...

      -This ... is not the opposition, they are bandits .

      -I won't sign anything. With the bandits that are terrorizing the whole country , the whole Ukrainian nation .

      -Anyway the party remains strong. We see repeated of Nazi in the 30th when, in Germany , in Austria, the Nazis came to power. Banned party, now the same thing happening here.

      -Haunted down ... , set on fire houses, offices, more than 200 offices of the Party of Regions burnt down
    • 16:08 – The whereabouts of the president are known!!!

      In his interview to journalists, President Viktor Yanukovych said to that he did all he could to prevent bloodshed in Ukraine," compared the events in Ukraine and country overturn with Nazi Germany in the 30.

      "The events that occurred in Ukraine, which the world saw – are an example of a coup," - said Yanukovych . "We have done all the steps that would stabilize the political situation in the country. What whatever happened, happened. I arrived in Kharkiv late last night and wanted to take part in today's all levels deputies union meeting. However, then I could not waste time and could not go because signals about the persecution of the people were coming in the entire time, "- said Yanukovych .

      "Now I'm trying to protect people who are constantly persecuted in their places of residence, work, and on the road. I do my best to avoid further bloodshed," - said Yanukovych .

      Yanukovych also commented on the resignation of Vladimir Rybak : " He was beaten. Yesterday he was shot in his car. He called me, and I sent him to Donetsk for treatment. Same with AP Chief Kliuiev." - "Ukrayinska Pravda"
    • 16:10 - Dmytro Hnap via phone reports about 19 mln euros founding of Yanukovych.
      Overall shocking figures in the documents that were fished out of the rive Dnipro!
      The figures for the theft deserves the maximum terms. And if you take the American law - a few LIVE-SENTENCES!
      Gromadska TB.
    • 16:13 - President Viktor Yanukovich's car was shot at yesterday by unknown people, according to his statement made on Kharkiv television. "My car was shot at yesterday, but I am not afraid! I am consumed with fear for our country," said the President. According to the head of state, ex-speaker of the Parliament Volodymyr Rybak had also been attacked. Yanukovych said that Rybak was beaten and shot at by unknown people. - TSN.ua
    • 16:21 - The Armed Forces remain faithful to the people of Ukraine and will not be drawn into any political conflict, says the statement of the workers of the Ministry of Defence. The military stated that they will remain faithful to the Constitution and its laws.

      "We assure you that the Armed Forces will not participate in any political conflict," says the statement. "The Armed Forces and the workers of the Ministry of Defence remain faithful to the Ukrainian nation and will continue to carry out the tasks given to them by the state."

      The statement goes on to express deep regret for the deaths in Kyiv and the hope "that nothing like this ever happens again in our country." - Ukrainska Pravda.
    • 16:39 - The head of the Airborn Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Alexander Shvets and the head of the Centre for Special Operations of the SSU "Alpha" Oleg Prysyazhniy assured that their employees serve the people of Ukraine.

      "I am telling everyone that none of my soldiers will go against his own people," said Shvets during a briefing in the Parliament this Saturday, according to Interfax-Ukraina.

      Prysyazhniy stated: "I am telling you that the Alpha centre has never committed any illegal action, and never will. It is in its usual location, faithful to its vows, and will not participate in political processes." - Focus.ua
    • 16:50 - The latest events are considered to be the end of Yanukovich's presidency by the head of the Russian Gosduma Committee of International Affairs Alexey Pushkov.

      "They are letting anyone into Yanukovich's residence "Mezhigirya": he fled, his security service fled, the personnel vanished... A sorry end for a president," Pushkov tweeted this Saturday. - Focus.ua
    • 16:56 - President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich said that he plans to continue negotiations with the representatives of EU on the situation in Ukraine. “I hope that these days we will hold talks,” he said in an interview with UBR, while answering the question on whether there is a dialogue with EU. We will note that Yanukovich called the situation in Ukraine a coup. “We see a repeat of the Nazi’s,” he said. Before that it was reported that Europe is introducing sanctions against the Ukrainian government. - "tsn.ua"
    • 16:59 - Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Germany, France and Poland arrive at the Verkhovna Rada. Earlier, Sikorsky, the MFA for Poland, said there was no chance of convincing Yanukovych to resign. The Ministers are headed for the offices of the leadership of the Parliament. - TVi.ua
    • 17:00 - Gennadiy Nikolenko resigned as governor of Nikolyev region and exited the Party of Regions, according the a statement by the Head of the Nikolayev Regional Council Igor Dyatlov.

      As he told the protestors on the main square of Nikolayev, the regional council will hold an emergency session on Sunday in order to form a new regional government. He added that the Party of Region fraction in the council has announced their dissolution.

      Today the Head of the Chernigiv Regional Administration Volodymyr Khomenko also signed his resignation, according to a statement by MP Nikolay Strelets during a session of the regional council. He also existed the Party of Regions, and the regional fraction also announced its dissolution. - “Focus.ua”
    • 17.11 - The Verkhovna Rada adopted a Resolution on removal of the President of Ukraine Yanukovych from office and voted to hold early elections on May 25, 2014! - 'Ukrayinska Pravda', 'Ukrainian Weekly Newspaper' (USA)
    • 17:28 - Nalyvaichenko has just been voted in as chief of the Security Service of Ukraine. Verkhovna Rada is moving fast to fill vacancies in government. - focus.ua


    From president residence
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    Rumors has it, that it's a real thing from Greece(personally I doubt it, since it's internet)


    MEDAL 1 KG OF GOLD!!!







    12:54 - Documents found floating in the Dnieper by Mezhigirya residence. According to a report for Ukrayinska Pravda, activists are now gathering them for publication. Some documents hold evidence for additional payment to the workers of the traffic police. – "Ukrayinska pravda"




    The remains of burnt documentations


    14:08 - The pictures of the documents found in Mezhygirya, with the information on all activists, MPs and journalists. - Vitaliy Umanets via Facebook (4 photos)



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    Default Re: Recession Revolutions Thread Part III: Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand

    NO!
    Spoiler:


    NO! NO! no! Please, no Yulia on maidan! D:

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    Default Re: Recession Revolutions Thread Part III: Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand

    Looks like Viktor is basically done.

    Is Leninfall what I think it is? Because that's pretty funny.

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    Default Re: Recession Revolutions Thread Part III: Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Looks like Viktor is basically done.

    Is Leninfall what I think it is? Because that's pretty funny.
    He is down, but not done. Not until he goes behind the bars.

    And yes Leninfall is what you think it is, I've lost count already.

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    Default Re: Recession Revolutions Thread Part III: Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand

    It's looking less like a civil war now, which is a relief. And I can't imagine that Viktor is going to get away unless he flees to Russia...which is surely a very real possibility?
    moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

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    Doesn't Yanukovych still have a fairly sizeable group of backers in the Southern and Easternmost parts of the country, though? I can't imagine them being very happy with everything that is going on in the capital if this ends in him getting thrown out of the country or jailed. The situation might not be over as easily as it could seem.
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    Default Re: Recession Revolutions Thread Part III: Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand

    Meh, Yanukovych allies are trying to escape to Russia, some managed, others get caught.

    Live talk: divers that are working on fishing out the remaining documents from president residence found the previously submerged ammunition(there is photo but i didn't find it yet)

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    Congratulations to you Lef,Maxterdexter and your brave country men! You guys kick ass... Its very regrettable for all those who were so cowardly killed during riots but they will be forever remembered as heroes at Ukraine. Everyone can take example of ukrainan people how you can rise against corruption and injustice.

    You guys are so badass and awesome that I cant help but cheer here

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