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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
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    Zilla got a temporary one time powerup to beat Gidorah, he won't be at that strength in the next movie.

    Kong keeps growing and getting stronger.

    And the last film ended with a loooot of monsters still intact, and Ghidorah parts ripe for cloning. It's not going to be just Zilla versus Kong, even if thats the title fight.
    What I was (probably not clearly) getting at was, Zilla has the long-range attack that will give it quite the advantage, particularly since we've seen how effective fire was in Kong: Skull Island. Them fighting each other would probably be over quicker than Batman's fight against Superman. If something else takes control over the other monsters, I suppose Zilla having no other allies to fall back on would mean Kong, who had yet to enter the fray, would be the only viable candidate to help out. Zilla could give him the old hot-foot to establish dominance and boss Kong around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiebs View Post
    Just watched a death battle with Mecha Godzilla I didn't realize the oxygen bomb in the 2019 movie was an actual thing from an earlier movie lol
    Yep. The oxygen bomb is from the very first Godzilla movie. It was the weapon that ultimately destroyed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Yep. The oxygen bomb is from the very first Godzilla movie. It was the weapon that ultimately destroyed him.
    lol looks like I know Jack Shit about the Godzilla frachise

    I watched like 20 of them when I was real little, I couldn't tell you a thing about any of them now though, it's been too long

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleFranky69 View Post
    What I was (probably not clearly) getting at was, Zilla has the long-range attack that will give it quite the advantage, particularly since we've seen how effective fire was in Kong: Skull Island. Them fighting each other would probably be over quicker than Batman's fight against Superman. If something else takes control over the other monsters, I suppose Zilla having no other allies to fall back on would mean Kong, who had yet to enter the fray, would be the only viable candidate to help out. Zilla could give him the old hot-foot to establish dominance and boss Kong around.
    Kong has to get bigger and stronger to face Zilla, and in the process he basically gains the ability to tank the energy breath. ANd then he throws a big rock at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Kong has to get bigger and stronger to face Zilla, and in the process he basically gains the ability to tank the energy breath. ANd then he throws a big rock at him.
    Don't forget, he also has to get electricity powers.

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    Well I suppose if Godzilla goes tromping on Kong's home turf then the big ape will have the home field advantage so maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Kong has to get bigger and stronger to face Zilla, and in the process he basically gains the ability to tank the energy breath. ANd then he throws a big rock at him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    It was a big rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    The funniest part of that is the ending of the episode reveals it was Batman pretending to be Croc the whole time, so he was having a sense of humor about it.

    Same as the time Bruce Wayne goes to the Joker themed Casino and makes fun of Joker to his face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    The funniest part of that is the ending of the episode reveals it was Batman pretending to be Croc the whole time, so he was having a sense of humor about it.

    Same as the time Bruce Wayne goes to the Joker themed Casino and makes fun of Joker to his face.
    But you're not Bruce Wayne you're Robby.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    But you're not Bruce Wayne you're Robby.
    I wasn't making a joke about trying to kill Batman.

    I was commenting on what Kong actually did to attack Godzilla.
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    Okay, I don't know what y'all are talking about any more.

    Anyway, I watched Godzilla vs. Hedorah last night. That was...trippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I wasn't making a joke about trying to kill Batman.

    I was commenting on what Kong actually did to attack Godzilla.
    I know that why I had some fun . If not for you mentioning "big rock" I wouldn't have said anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Okay, I don't know what y'all are talking about any more.

    Anyway, I watched Godzilla vs. Hedorah last night. That was...trippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    Okay, I don't know what y'all are talking about any more.

    Anyway, I watched Godzilla vs. Hedorah last night. That was...trippy.
    I hadn't seen that one but I wanted to. I remember the one I enjoyed most from the older era (apart from Son of Godzilla) was Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. Saw that one on the Disney Channel when I was way younger.

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    Godzilla Movies ReviewPart 3!

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    Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

    The Monsters: After the disappointing monsterdesigns of Ebirah, Karacura, Kumonga, and Gabara, Toho finally gives us a moreclever and iconic design in the sludge monster Hedorah. As you might expect,he's essentially a metaphor for the pollution that mankind carelessly reeks(er, wreaks) upon the world and comes back to bite us in a big way. And he'squite unique in that he goes through four transformative stages: His fish form,his land form, his flying form, and his ultimate form (his land form andultimate form didn't seem much different to me; could've used some more design workon that). And he's quite a beast in that his final form towers even higher thanGodzilla. Speaking of whom, Godzilla is undoubtedly a hero now, even beingcompared to Superman in the opening scene. Not bad for a guy who, just 15 yearsago, was analogous with nuclear holocaust. Anyway, Godzilla and Hedorah do getsome pretty good brawls in this movie, which culminates in one of Godzilla'sstrangest and physically improbably attacks, in which he propels himselfthrough the air with his atomic breath. Godzilla ultimately finishes Hedorahoff in actually a pretty gruesome scene in which he tears out the dried-outHedorah's insides, incinerating them until nothing is left. Well, good stuff atany rate. And it's a little surprising that Toho never really did much withHedorah after this.

    The Humans: As I said earlier in this thread,this movie is pretty friggin' trippy. It feels like the filmmakers were goingfor a 60's vibe with this movie and it certainly shows. On the surface, youhave teenage/college kids (ostensibly hippies?) dancing at a club and partyingon a mountain top, but the film also has really weird editing choices in how itconveys the chaos unfolding around Japan. Not to mention there's a weird JamesBond-esque opening to the film. Of course, I'm not sure what any of this has todo with a story that's otherwise about the dangers of pollution, but here weare. This also might be one of the darkest Godzilla movies as Hedorah's toxicand acidic pollution results in hundreds if not thousands of people beingdecomposed and reduced to skeletons. As for the human charactersthemselves...honestly, there isn't much to them. There's a scientist, a littlekid, and the aforementioned teenage/college kids, but they don't have any realidentities or character arcs. But, as I said, the 60’s trippiness, whileconfusing, is certainly attention-grabbing and won't leave you bored during thehuman segments (or at least not too bored).

    Overall: Alright Japan, you've had your taste ofthe shrooms, now it's time to leave 'em alone. And, yeah, sure enough, Tohonever really made another Godzilla film as trippy or experimental as this (orat least not yet). I guess I can commend them for trying something differentwith this film, even if it doesn't exactly work, but the brawls with Godzillaand Hedorah are still a lot of fun and I guess an environmentalist message isalways good (this was pre-90's before it had been done to death). Not the bestGodzilla film, but still a worthy effort.

    Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

    The Monsters: As the title implies, this movieintroduces Gigan, another monster with a cool design who become one of the moreiconic monsters in the Godzilla rogues gallery. And yeah, Gigan really doeshave a cool design. Somehow, any monster/robot/entity with a fuckton of bladessticking out of them is instantly cool (or maybe it’s just me). Granted, the waythey introduce Gigan in this film is less than stellar, as he’s basically justKing Ghidorah’s buddy who shows up along with him. But, that said, Gigan stillgets a fantastic showing once the fighting starts, with most of the actionfocused on him. And he gets some good hits in on Godzilla, at one point cuttinghis shoulder open with his buzz saw, producing a geyser of blood. Godzilla,Anguirus, and King Ghidorah are also there and they provide some good action,but not much is added to their mythos. Though Godzilla and Anguirus do speak toeach other in speech bubbles for the first (and possibly only) time, so I guessthere’s that.

    The Humans: Once again, aliens have returned totake over Earth (this time they’re cockroaches) and now they’re building agiant theme park for…some reason. And our hero this time is a struggling mangaartist who gets roped into the aliens’ plans for…reasons I’m not exactly clearon. Yeah, in case it’s not obvious yet, the plot for this movie doesn’t reallymake much sense (not that they usually do). Actually, since the manga artistwas trying to come up with monster designs, I thought he would come up with thedesign for Gigan and the aliens would bio-engineer it or something. But nope,that’s not where they go with it; Gigan is just some monster alien from space.I honestly don’t remember any of the human characters aside from the mangaartist and this is really one of the more tedious human stories, which left mefidgeting in my chair, especially towards the end.

    Overall: Though bogged down by a dull humanstory, this is still a pretty cool entry in the Godzilla series, with somesurprisingly intense fights. Gigan himself becomes an instant classic and arecognizable member of the Godzilla roster. I wish they had done more with thestory, but this is still a fine movie.

    Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973)

    The Monsters: And yet another monster gets addedto the Godzilla family. This time it’s Megalon, the giant beetle monster withdrills for hands. Not quite as cool a design as Gigan, IMO, but still an iconicmonster regardless. And on the other hand, we have the (in)famous Jet Jaguar. Aweirdly-designed robot that can (randomly) grow to enormous size, which I guesswas Toho’s way of cashing in on the Ultraman craze. Though it seems Toho hasbasically disowned him, since he rarely, if ever, appears in Godzilla merch. I dunno,I thought he was okay for what he was. Gigan also makes an encore appearance(again, kind of randomly). As for Godzilla himself…well, you can’t really talkabout him in this movie without bringing out his (in)famous drop kick, whichI’ll post here.

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    And he does it not once,but TWICE! (yeah, I’ll bet the SFX guys were really proud of that one) I mean,you kinda have to love how much Toho thought their audience was willing tosuspend their disbelief. But seriously, the movie as a whole does deliver somepretty cool action, regardless of what you may think about that kick. Me, Ithink it’s delightfully absurd, and not really any worse than Godzilla’spropulsion breath from Hedorah.

    The Humans: This time around, we get another annoyingkid, his older brother and…some other guy, who are all working together to makeJet Jaguar. As protagonists go, they’re pretty passable. However, Toho breaksnew ground with the villains in this movie. This time we don’t get aliens whowant to take over the world. This time we get Seatopians, people living in thecore of the Earth, who want to take over the world! TOTALLY different! For realthough, the Seatopians and their goofy clothes are barely even in the movie, sothey don’t have much of a presence. Overall, not the best human story, butcharmingly dumb.

    Overall: So this was the second and lastGodzilla movie to be riffed by MST3K and I can see why (aside from thispossibly being one of only two Godzilla movies they could even get the rightsto; stingy Toho). It’s a particularly silly entry in the Godzilla franchise,between the Seatopians, Jet Jaguar, and Godzilla’s drop kick. But far betterfor it to be silly than boring. Again, not a particularly strong film, but ithas some good action and some good laughs.

    NOTE: So for these lasttwo, I was actually able to watch them on TCM’s monster movie month (orwhatever they call it) this past week. Not sure why exactly why I’m bringingthis up since it’s too late to advertise, but for context I did watch themback-to-back.

    Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

    The Monsters: Ah! At long last we get one ofGodzilla’s greatest foes. His mechanical counterpart, Mechagodzilla! A giantmetal replica who can shoot laser beams out of his eyes, shoot missiles out ofhis fingers, and spin his head around to make a force field. Anyway,Mechagodzilla (hereafter referred to as MG) first appears disguised as Godzillahimself, which, come to think of it, makes me wonder why. Like, does Godzillahave a reputation he’s trying to uphold here? In any case, MG proves to be quiteformidable, putting up a good fight against Godzilla. My favorite maneuver ofhis has to be him turning his head completely around so he can fire his lasereyes and his finger missiles at two different opponents at the same time. Asidefrom him, we also have King Caesar who I think was in some other Toho movieprior to this, but I’m not sure. Regardless, his plotline is really random andinconsequential. After a ton of buildup, he fights MG for a bit and gets hisass beat. Though he has an interestingly frantic fighting style, he’s honestlykind of dumb and ugly looking. Not surprisingly, he’s not one of the morefamous monsters. Godzilla, of course, also shows up to do his thing. His big trickthis time being turning into a magnet (somehow) to catch MG. ‘Kay, whatevs. Also,he rips MG’s clean head off, which is pretty cool. Oh yeah, and Anguirus showsup briefly only to get fuckin’ wrecked by MG and have his jaw split open, KingKong style.

    The Humans: There’s actually a fair amount goingon in this human story. A spelunker discovers some otherworldly metal and takesit to a professor, a priestess has visions of destruction, and an archaeologistdiscovers an ancient prophecy of the events to come. Though I have to wonderwhy a prophecy is even necessary at this point. I mean, it seems like this shithappens once a year, at least. Where were the priestesses and prophecies allthose other times, huh? Well anyway, we get yet more aliens trying to take overEarth, and this time they’re green ape men for some reason (between these guysand Dr. Gori, were the Japanese under the mistaken impression that apes weregreen?). And honestly, at this point, I have to wonder how many different alienraces are there out there and why are they all so keen on taking over Earthwith the same method? Well, if I can buy Doctor Who I guess I can buy this.Anyway, none of the characters are especially memorable or interesting, but theplotline is reasonably entertaining and does have some good action sequences.

    Overall: I guess this probably would be the bestof this batch of Godzilla movies. Still not an amazing effort, but as I saidbefore, it does introduce one of Godzilla’s greatest foes, has some neat ideas,and is probably the best overall package with one of the stronger human stories(though that’s not saying a whole lot).

    Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)

    The Monsters: Well, Mechagodzilla must have beenquite a hit since, as the title clearly indicates, he’s back for more. Though,unfortunately, Toho doesn’t really add much, if anything, to his repertoire. Atsome point a character mentions some new weapon he’s using, but I didn’t noticeit. The only thing I noticed is that he now has some internal control center soripping off his head won’t work anymore. Aside from MG, this movie alsointroduces Titanosaurus, who is…alright. Like, when you get a good look at himhis design is pretty cool, but not…really cool? And there’s not a whole lot tohim as a monster, he’s just an ocean-dwelling beast that helps out MG. Asidefrom that, I don’t really have much to say. Godzilla shows up and fights themof course, but nothing about it is super memorable. Probably the weakestmonster action we’ve had in a while.

    The Humans: So to make up for theless-than-stellar monster action, I guess this probably would be the strongesthuman story of this batch. Interpol and a marine biologist track down a madscientist who is responsible for the Titanosaurus attacks. The scientist hasalso teamed up with the ape aliens from the last film, although this time theydon’t turn into apes. Also, the scientist has a cyborg daughter who falls inlove the marine biologist, which, if you know anything about love storiesinvolving female cyborgs in Japanese cinema, you know this won’t end well. And…Iguess that’s about it. Even if this is the best human story of this batch, it’sstill not an exceptional story by conventional standards, but it is dramaticand engaging enough. Oh, and I think we had our first boob in a Godzilla movie,although it was fake.

    Overall: This movie tried in some respects, butit really wasn’t enough. Mostly this is just kind of a disappointing follow-upfor Mechagodzilla where it seemed like the writers weren’t really sure what todo. And, much like the love story in this movie, the film itself performedtragically at the box office, thus putting Godzilla on a ten year hiatus. Idon’t know if it’s quite deserving of that, but I guess I can understand why. Imean, if it wasn’t obvious yet, Toho really was spinning its wheels, recyclingthe same old plotlines for the sake of dumb monster action, and I guess thiswas the final straw. Still, I’m glad I saw it.

    And that brings us to theend of the Showa era. 15 films over a span of 20 years. Quite a legacy to leaveeven if they hadn’t decided to continue to franchise and, of course, theywould. The next round of films brings us into the Heisei era and I can’t waitto see where the 80’s and 90’s takes Godzilla.

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