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  1. #21501

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Kaidou was introduced as a guy with a deathwish, Blackbeard taking *him* down after Luffy weakens him makes perfect sense.

    And BB beating Shanks eventually is all but set in stone.

    And he already killed Whitebeard.

    BM doesn't have to be beaten by the end if she's turned sort of ally, but she does obviously have to be taken off the table. We'll see what happens to her after she's been fed the amazing cake and had her memories restored and gets to see that she personally destroyed her entire base, something her family has always hidden from her up until now.

    I reeeeeally dont see BB showing up and killing her, that would just be one too many emperors for him. And playing the "BB shows up and finishes an already weakened Yonkou" card will get repetitive very fast.

    Why BB, the guy has no story with kaidou. The one that has a story with kaidou is moria himself. And it was made clear kaidou can't be kld, at least with normal ways. But someone that can steal his shadow is something else, after what kaidou did to moria's crew it is clear moria has to do something to help.

    And "BB shows up and finishes an already weakened Yonkou" card will get repetitive very fast too if he gets Wb, shanks AND kaidou.
    Last edited by uniaka ikuzakas; January 9th, 2018 at 10:01 AM.

  2. #21502

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Why BB, the guy has no story with kaidou.
    Because status. Kaidou is currently "the strongest creature in the world." He was introduced with a death wish, so that makes him killable by Oda.

    But Oda wouldn't kill anyone without a specific story reason. What would the marines killing him do? Nothing that beating down Whitebeard didn't. What would BB killing him do? Provide another devil fruit powerup. Hype the final villain. Change the balance of the world power. And maybe give him the confidence to go after Shanks?

    As noted, BB needs a steady string of hype. He's got lots of offscreen things going, By the time we get through Wano in 2 or 3 years, we'll be entering the end game for the series. At that point we'll have Elbaf and maybe one or two other islands we haven't heard about yet and then its onto Raftel. He'll need some on-camera events.

    Once Luffy beats a Yonkou, he'll have beaten the strongest creature in the world. No matter how much help he had doing it, he'll be officially top tier... so we need to raise the stakes and have the final villain show that same level of power. In 2-3 years when Wano ends, Whitebeard's death will have been 9 or 10 years and 40 volumes prior. And for all that him killing Shanks will have the emotional pull, Shanks hasn't been established as un unstoppable world shaking monster (he even lost an arm to a sea king). it won't have the dramatic powerhouse effect of "Oh he's so powerful and scary now!" It'll have the dramatic effect of "he's a bastard!" which are two different goals..

    At *that* point in the story, beating down the strongest thing we've ever seen will be an event and we need to get hyped for the next thing to be even bigger. Right now, Big Mom is *already* overshadowed by Kaidou. Beating her wouldn't hype or power up anything, and its just a little too early still to completely shake up the world balance. After Kaidou will be the time for everything to go to hell.

    (Similarly, that'll be when the crew gets their next bounties, even though it would make sense for them to get them updated again after BM, narratively after Kaidou and for their final bounties is what makes sense.)

    Now, let me be clear. I'm not saying Blackbeard 100% will kill Kaidou. I'm not drawing a line in the sand on that like BB killing Shanks or BB getting an ancient weapon, and I'm not convinced that's where the story HAS to go like I am on some other things. But for organic progression of the story, clearing out the board and threat escalation it makes a lot of sense.

    The one that has a story with kaidou is moria himself. And it was made clear kaidou can't be kld, at least with normal ways. But someone that can steal his shadow is something else, after what kaidou did to moria's crew it is clear moria has to do something to help.
    Yeah, it seems obvious Moria will show up next arc but he can't just cut shadows whenever he wants. It'd be awesome if Moria shows up and finishes Kaidou off and gets revenge. But then what? What's Moria add to the story from there? What does him finishing Kaidou build up to? Personal satisfaction for him, sure, but for the narrative as a whole?
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  3. #21503

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Because status. Kaidou is currently "the strongest creature in the world." He was introduced with a death wish, so that makes him killable by Oda.

    But Oda wouldn't kill anyone without a specific story reason. What would the marines killing him do? Nothing that beating down Whitebeard didn't. What would BB killing him do? Provide another devil fruit powerup. Hype the final villain. And maybe give him the confidence to go after Shanks?

    As noted, BB needs a steady string of hype. He's got lots of offscreen things going, By the time we get through Wano in 2 or 3 years, we'll be entering the end game for the series. At that point we'll have Elbaf and maybe one or two other islands we haven't heard about yet and then its onto Raftel. He'll need some on-camera events.

    Once Luffy beats a Yonkou, he'll have beaten the strongest creature in the world. No matter how much help he had doing it, he'll be officially top tier... so we need to raise the stakes and have the final villain show that same level of power. In 2-3 years when Wano ends, Whitebeard's death will have been 9 or 10 years and 40 volumes prior. And for all that him killing Shanks will have the emotional pull, Shanks hasn't been established as un unstoppable world shaking monster (he even lost an arm to a sea king). it won't have the dramatic powerhouse effect of "Oh he's so powerful and scary now!" It'll have the dramatic effect of "he's a bastard!" which are two different goals..

    At *that* point in the story, beating down the strongest thing we've ever seen will be an event and we need to get hyped for the next thing to be even bigger. Right now, Big Mom is *already* overshadowed by Kaidou. Beating her wouldn't hype or power up anything, and its just a little too early still to completely shake up the world balance. After Kaidou will be the time for everything to go to hell.

    (Similarly, that'll be when the crew gets their next bounties, even though it would make sense for them to get them updated again after BM, narratively after Kaidou and for their final bounties is what makes sense.)

    Now, let me be clear. I'm not saying Blackbeard 100% will kill Kaidou. I'm not drawing a line in the sand on that like BB killing Shanks. But for organic progression of the story, clearing out the board and threat building it makes sense.



    Yeah, it seems obvious Moria will show up next arc but he can't just cut shadows whenever he wants. It'd be awesome if Moria shows up and finishes Kaidou off and gets revenge. But then what? What's Moria add to the story from there? What does him finishing Kaidou build up to? Personal satisfaction for him, sure, but for the narrative as a whole?
    As with other former enemies that turn into allies, I imagine moria will show up at the end to help luffy's side in the final, with his kaidou zombie, and there is also the thing that what moria will do after wano will become more clear in wano. BB eating the dragon fruit doesn't really make sense. He is more likely to get something like Dragon's fruit that would give him control over weather, earthquakes, darkness.

    Dragon BB would just look like kaidou 2.0, rather then unique villain. While with fruits like quake no mi it doesn't change how you look, and wb wasn't used as luffy's villian to fully explore his fruit and have luffy beat that power, kaidou will get to fully fledge out his fruit and make luffy beat dragon zoan. And BB transforming into dragon would not only recycle former villain power, but would litteraly make him look like kaidou. sure he would have some darkness dragon claw and earthquake claws in there, but still dragon. Would also make 1 too many dragon villains for luffy. At least with the quake fruit if it's recycled luffy didn't face that power.

    It's like someone will eat now the fruit of Lucci and be the villain next arc for luffy.

    While doing it with WB and shanks on panel is more then enough to keep the hype, kaidou thing would just be overkill, might as well make him show up with BM too since what is 3 or 4, almost the same. Shanks is the important one here, no kaidou or bm, he doesn't need them to get the hype. He already went after dragon off panel and could maybe do it again on panel, since dragon doesn't look like he would stay around until the end in the story. He has sabo and luffy that can do what he can't.

    Luffy would beat the dragon zoan twice in the story as top villains. What for? If he beat the dragon zoan once, why again?

    And luffy won't beat the first yonkou in a legit way or else he would surpass all yonkous from the start with 7-8 years of the manga left. It is clear luffy gets lots of help, and nightmare luffy is what could beat kaidou and still make luffy after that be under yonkous. The very fact that SH alone don't face kaidou pirates but all the other supernovas crews and minks and wb pirates help too shows it's team win not SH win.

    He needed law for doflamingo to turn his organs into lasagna and other people to protect him for 10 minutes from dofla. He needed nami to make cracker's armor useless with her rain, he needed brulee to save his as every 10 minutes from katakuri, yet he will solo the first yonkou? No.
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  4. #21504

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Monkey D. View Post
    If they could do more they would have.
    The fishman pirates aren't actually people with brains, they're characters and Oda is the writer.
    What is happening right now is simply that they're being nerfed


    And what makes Fishman so dangerous is not only are the just as strong as humans on land, they can use the majority of the planet to there advantage cause:
    1). Can easily escape to the sea with no real way to efficiently track and capture them
    2). Grow three times as strong in water that covers the majority of the planet
    3). Can breathe underwater giving them another distinct advantage
    4) Can attack your ship underneath

    Then I really don't get you bringing up Luffy at all, I don't see the point?
    Because I'm talking about how could this arc end, and Luffy is the main protagonist.
    The point is that the Zeff situation has been completely ignored and every characters are acting like Bigmom wasn't threatening his life and Iva's.
    And Zeff, or Iva are also his friends, this is why I brought up the "muh I can't protect my friends" thing.

    Dealing with Katakuri doesn't prevent Bigmom from killing someone at Foosha or else

    Fujitora doesn't make much sense either since last we saw him he was escorting Dolfa to Impel Down which would take a decent amount of time even to get to Marinjou because from Dressrosa its a week away.
    A lot of time passed since he was escorting Doflamingo. And once the ships reach calm belt, they don't need Tsuru+Sengoku+Fujitora anymore

    Even if he got back to the New World there:
    B). He would want to present his case for the Shikibukai destruction in some way so I imagine he focused on that.
    maybe. But it's not like he was the only one who didn't like the shichibukai. Sakazuki is kinda the first one hating them.


    C). Has no way to track Luffy since he could have gone to number of Islands after Dressrosa so the trail is cold.
    I've already said how it would happen.

    The WG issues a new poster in which "Vinsmoke Sanji" is written -> it's big news that he'll marry with Pudding -> everyone with experience in the NW knows what it means (Sanji won't be a SH anymore) -> Fujitora hears about it (not hard to make him hear about it) -> Smoker calls him "hey, move your ass up in Bigmom's territory, he'll be there for sure !" or Fujitora just understands what kind of brat Luffy is and guesses he'll be there.

    E). Fujitora wouldn't be dumb enough to walk in blindly into a Yonko territory.
    Fujitora is actually strong and it's not like he was rushing on the 3sweet commanders+Bigmom like Luffy. He would just be waiting around her territory or something like that, just like how Smoker was waiting near FishmanIsland. And if he wants to get in, he could now that the seaslugs are off.
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  5. #21505

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    Oda still has given Blackbeard the best showing for a DF user, back then (and still to this day) Blackbeard power is freighting.

    Besides for a like four characters (WB, Shanks, Garp and Aokiji) Ace was bar none the strongest person we seen in the series and when he meets up with Blackbeard Banaro Island he shrugs of Ace's signature attack that destroy BW fleet.

    Teach reveals the fruit he killed for, proceeds to suck up the town and destroy it in a show of its power, shows of its weakness good enough with BB getting back up afterwards, then he shows the true horror of the fruit and what it can do to DF users with a simple touch that not even Sea Stone can do.

    Then he proceeds to just dominate the fight being able to take anything Ace can throw at him without any trouble while Ace is clearly struggling and failing in the fight.

  6. #21506

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    Oh well, whatever, screw the NN purpose of the thread...

    ... I am still betting on Teach going there. Mostly because Pudding latent ability to read poneglyphs didn't lead to anything and Teach will need someone with this ability to remain a rival to Luffy once he starts following the Road Poneglyphs. The Yonkou reached a wall because they don't have anyone who can read the poneglyphs and Luffy will be able to move past that point thanks to Robin, for Teach to measure up to him by the end of the manga he will need someone who can do it as well.
    Pudding to get the giant serum, become one of the captains and arranges herself to be sanji's endgame opponent? How you ask, she reached into eiichero oda's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    Didn't one of his Titan Captains just got his ass handed to a measly 600 million bounty?
    Bounties =/ power level. I'm sure sabo would have won without the mera mera but it wouldnt be a stomp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seafarer33 View Post
    Nevertheless :
    - Tottland's surveillance network is down (no more sea slugs)
    - tart fleets are either sunken, disabled, or at best dropped their guard duty to track down of Straw Hats / Firetanks / Germa
    - Whole Cake Castle's in ruins > central HQ disorganized, treasure vault ripe for pillaging
    - 2 of the 3 sweet commanders will have taken severe damage by the end of the arc
    - incoming further losses in the grand finale, everyone's converging towards Cocoa Island and the Germa 66 are still at full might
    - to top it off every major crook from the Underground is present to spread the news and/or exploit the situation themselves

    Big Mom probably won't be literally defeated, this much I agree on and it would indeed be underwhelming to off-panel her. But I can completely imagine a situation where in the following days a hostile force (Marines or BB, or even Shanks - he is a pirate, too) invades Tottland and the remnants of the Big Mom Pirates (Mama included) are forced to abandon their homeland. Consider the possibility that, while rejuvenated by the cake, Big Mom may still be incapacitated for a while leaving her children with no option but to turn tail if the likes of Fujitora and Akainu show up with a large enough fleet.

    Looking at the big picture, in recent arcs the Straw Hats have upset the status quo wherever they go. Fishmen are eager to come in the open and on route to the Reverie; the end of Smiles and weapons traffic resolved ingoing conflicts and sparked new ones; the Minks are preparing to invade Wano after centuries of living in secrecy on their illusive island, ... I can't imagine the events in Tottland not having severe repercussions, especially after the blow to both Big Mom's military power and her credit as a Yonkou.
    This would make a lot of sense if the big mom pirates we're gonna tie into elbaf a lot. Which I'm pretty undecided about but big mom going there strikes me as interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Kaidou was introduced as a guy with a deathwish, Blackbeard taking *him* down after Luffy weakens him makes perfect sense.

    And BB beating Shanks eventually is all but set in stone.

    And he already killed Whitebeard.

    BM doesn't have to be beaten by the end if she's turned sort of ally, but she does obviously have to be taken off the table. We'll see what happens to her after she's been fed the amazing cake and had her memories restored and gets to see that she personally destroyed her entire base, something her family has always hidden from her up until now.

    I reeeeeally dont see BB showing up and killing her, that would just be one too many emperors for him. And playing the "BB shows up and finishes an already weakened Yonkou" card will get repetitive very fast.
    I feel she could still have a role in the story without personally intervening combat wise
    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
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  7. #21507

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    Plus Sabo is second in command of the Revolutionists right behind Dragon and taught by him, seemingly his martial art set is dragon based.

  8. #21508

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Because status. Kaidou is currently "the strongest creature in the world." He was introduced with a death wish, so that makes him killable by Oda.

    But Oda wouldn't kill anyone without a specific story reason. What would the marines killing him do? Nothing that beating down Whitebeard didn't. What would BB killing him do? Provide another devil fruit powerup. Hype the final villain. Change the balance of the world power. And maybe give him the confidence to go after Shanks?

    As noted, BB needs a steady string of hype. He's got lots of offscreen things going, By the time we get through Wano in 2 or 3 years, we'll be entering the end game for the series. At that point we'll have Elbaf and maybe one or two other islands we haven't heard about yet and then its onto Raftel. He'll need some on-camera events.

    Once Luffy beats a Yonkou, he'll have beaten the strongest creature in the world. No matter how much help he had doing it, he'll be officially top tier... so we need to raise the stakes and have the final villain show that same level of power. In 2-3 years when Wano ends, Whitebeard's death will have been 9 or 10 years and 40 volumes prior. And for all that him killing Shanks will have the emotional pull, Shanks hasn't been established as un unstoppable world shaking monster (he even lost an arm to a sea king). it won't have the dramatic powerhouse effect of "Oh he's so powerful and scary now!" It'll have the dramatic effect of "he's a bastard!" which are two different goals..

    At *that* point in the story, beating down the strongest thing we've ever seen will be an event and we need to get hyped for the next thing to be even bigger. Right now, Big Mom is *already* overshadowed by Kaidou. Beating her wouldn't hype or power up anything, and its just a little too early still to completely shake up the world balance. After Kaidou will be the time for everything to go to hell.

    (Similarly, that'll be when the crew gets their next bounties, even though it would make sense for them to get them updated again after BM, narratively after Kaidou and for their final bounties is what makes sense.)

    Now, let me be clear. I'm not saying Blackbeard 100% will kill Kaidou. I'm not drawing a line in the sand on that like BB killing Shanks or BB getting an ancient weapon, and I'm not convinced that's where the story HAS to go like I am on some other things. But for organic progression of the story, clearing out the board and threat escalation it makes a lot of sense.



    Yeah, it seems obvious Moria will show up next arc but he can't just cut shadows whenever he wants. It'd be awesome if Moria shows up and finishes Kaidou off and gets revenge. But then what? What's Moria add to the story from there? What does him finishing Kaidou build up to? Personal satisfaction for him, sure, but for the narrative as a whole?
    Robby, I had a debate with another person here about the timing of BB coming to Wano. Do you think with such a big saga as this oda is prepared to let the whole allied crew and everyone be aware of blackbeard coming in to steal the kill, and take the fruit. I was heavily opposed to BB deciding to use Wano as his own base and undo all the progress they would have tried to make but i do se the possibility oda might want to not have wano be a complete victory. I'd say the part I was most conflicted about is the role of the ex WB pirates would they sacrifice themselves in front of luffy to hold off BB? Would that be a sign luffy couldn't hold his promise? I know most think shiryu will get jozu's if he hasnt already and for some reason burgess would get marco's but i dont know whether that will be known to the strawhats.

    So I kind of asked a lot of questions there to simplify.

    1. When do you think BB would strike at kaido and would oda hold off BB appearance to preserve the celebration banquet/happy ending feel?
    2. If BB confronts the crew at Wano, do you see Oda letting luffy be saved the WB crew at the cost of their own death or would that overwrite his promise to protect everyone if it happens in front of him?
    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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  9. #21509

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    He needed law for doflamingo to turn his organs into lasagna and other people to protect him for 10 minutes from dofla. He needed nami to make cracker's armor useless with her rain, he needed brulee to save his as every 10 minutes from katakuri, yet he will solo the first yonkou? No.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Once Luffy beats a Yonkou, he'll have beaten the strongest creature in the world. No matter how much help he had doing it, he'll be officially top tier... so we need to raise the stakes and have the final villain show that same level of power.
    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    And luffy won't beat the first yonkou in a legit way or else he would surpass all yonkous from the start with 7-8 years of the manga left.
    Yes, that's why he's not beating Big Mom in a straight out fight. But Kaidou will basically be the last stop before the endgame when its time to start really hyping BB and flip the tables in terms of world balance and status quo.

    Also, never said BB would get the dragon fruit. He has a crew after all. I half epect it to go to SHiryu so Zoro can fight a dragon and because of the four chinese gods, including Azure Dragon Seiryu.

    Or he gets Jozu's diamond fruit so Zoro can cut diamond. Either way.

    Moria using a Kaidou zombie is NOT what Oda is going to do with it. Too OP and too disrespectful to the dead. People that were dead before the series become zombies, fine. People that died during the series? Not really Oda's bag.
    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    1. When do you think BB would strike at kaido and would oda hold off BB appearance to preserve the celebration banquet/happy ending feel?
    It would absolutely be an epilogue after Wano is no longer in danger. Oda's already done the war, he's not about to spend two years on a mega war and not have it turn out okay for the civilians.

    Maybe not the major world players, but the civilians (Momo in particular) will be okay.

    2. If BB confronts the crew at Wano, do you see Oda letting luffy be saved the WB crew at the cost of their own death or would that overwrite his promise to protect everyone if it happens in front of him?
    Nope. Oda isn't one for long term sacrifices that are pointless and I don't think he would do one for the finale for an arc. COnsidering he *already* killed Ace for that sort of thing, and Shanks is on the chopping block, I don't think that's really a required step.

    But hey, maybe if Pedro stays dead.

    Depends on if BB can remove devil fruits without killing, I guess.
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    I donīt see BB taking out Kaidou to be honest. Taking out Kaidou, except for his devil fruit of course, does not give him any kind of advantage or reward that he canīt get by beating Shanks and Shanks has been established as among the elite of the world, so taking care of a already weakened Kaidou does not create any kind of hype that taking care of a 100% Shanks does not create.

    Not to forget that i bet Oda would not like drawing Luffy facing an ability he faced before, both for his sake and the audienceīs sake.

    Nah, i fully expect that the clash between Shanks and BB will not be long after Luffy takes care of Kaidou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Nah, i fully expect that the clash between Shanks and BB will not be long after Luffy takes care of Kaidou.
    My take has ben for a long time now that Shanks will try to prevent BB from reaching Raftel and that the discovery of One Piece by Luffy will coincide with the destruction of the Red Hair Pirates by Teach.

    Preferably, Shanks and Luffy will have met before. Elbaf, which was once suggested by Greg to be a "cooldown-arc" after Wano, would be a good space for that. Would also fulfill Luffy's promise to give the hat back after he's become a great pirate. What better moment for this than after defeating one of the Yonko? If Oda wants to go that route. Though Luffy will probably have his hat for the rest of the series, maybe except for the end.

    There's also the incident between Shanks and Kaido before Marineford. How was Shanks able to stop Kaido unharmed? My guess is that he made some kind of deal with him and that this may influence events at Wano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Monkey D. View Post

    Hell Robby, RomanceDawn, Count Mario (I think?), and others see them getting together, hell Greg himself sees it in one of his columns or at least sees Oda heading that way.

    And if they do get married/promise his gag could just change a bit to include him fighting of temptation remembering he got someone waiting for him.

    I'll have another post in the WCI thread around the whole two soon, the families again and how i see the arc ending.

    I would also like to say these guys arn't shippers in any way like the trash shippers you see on Oro like in the SaNa thread.

    These guys are rational thoughtful players.
    I can see that it's moving towards PuddingxSanji so I can read the cues but honestly I think it's a very poor choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Yes, that's why he's not beating Big Mom in a straight out fight. But Kaidou will basically be the last stop before the endgame when its time to start really hyping BB and flip the tables in terms of world balance and status quo.

    Also, never said BB would get the dragon fruit. He has a crew after all. I half epect it to go to SHiryu so Zoro can fight a dragon and because of the four chinese gods, including Azure Dragon Seiryu.

    Or he gets Jozu's diamond fruit so Zoro can cut diamond. Either way.

    Yonkou fruit that is also named world's strongest a bit too much for the underlings?


    And anyone besides bb getting kaidou's fruit would be worse. At least BB has two other fruits, but the Other guys get only 1 fruit so they would be even more like kaidou. So one of the SHs would get mini kaidou ? Would be like them getting the previous villains of luffy, when all their enemies stand out from luffy's ones. Nami gets enel, sanji gets Lucci, zoro get doflamingo, usopp gets crocodile and so on.


    The diamond fruit could work since they didn't face and beat the diamond user before, and shilliew would still get to look like himself.

    Anyway, with how kaidou is the animal Kingdom or beast pirates leader, luffy getting the shadows of all minks to create beast nightmare luffy would be fitting to beat kaidou.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    Oda portrayed the SHs' situation as totally fucked since the beginning (Sanji must marry Pudding, or else ! And he was barely capable of taking down the third strongest commander). Which raised my expectations about an original way to unravel this mess (like Togashi would do I guess, even though sometimes he can come up with ass-pulled ideas like "the old geezer had a nuke in his ass all along").
    What's even more bad is how long the escape is taking.
    Oh, I see. What series did Togashi do again? The name sounds familiar.

    1/ Luffy's awakening helps to actually escape and not just beat Katakuri (maybe he will though)
    Well, I can't see how his awakening would help them to escape, since I am betting it might end up changing things to rubber like Katakuri and Doflamingo. Can you go more into detail about this?

    2/ The Fishman pirates do something with the sea. Seriously, why the fuck aren't they just sinking Bigmom's entire fleet ??? This is what the Sun Pirates were doing back then
    Well, Big Mom's fleet is huge, so they might sink a bunch, but eventually they will get caught; seems like a risky move to do honestly, but it would be cool if the Sun Pirates sunk every ship; but it is not realistic in a sense. There also might be other fishmen that would be part of mom's fleet, so that might be another risk as well.

    3/ Luffy needs help to protect his relatives, and his relatives' relatives (like Zeff for instance). He either manages to do something with his fleet, or relies on either his daddy or the redhead guy for a moment. I'm not really okay for the latter, because it'd bring up all the things about Luffy not being able to protect his own friends.
    Well, that happens in the past, and it be nice to go for a more unique way for this arc; plus we can't forget the fact that Big Mom will chase them still if they run away. So, obviously, having a truce will help the Strawhats more; as it is already enough that others are after them, like the Marines; and I believe Kaido's crew. It would be nice to lighten the load.

    4/ Sanji actually redeems himself instead of baking a fucking cake
    I have to disagree with you on this. I actually like how he is making the cake and showing off his talent. Plus, I do feel like he has to defend the cake as well. Also, if there was no cake, Big Mom would still go on a rampage, and probably die. So, of course with what I said earlier, it would not be a good idea to have an entire fleet after the Strawhats. Big Mom's crew is like a giant army in my opinion.

    5/ The Marines intervene. Someone like Fujitora, because he's just chasing down Luffy (which wouldn't be ass-pulled) and was waiting all along on his ship at the "frontier" because it's Bigmom's territory (or at least, he waits for him and the SHs are caught in a clusterfuck between Bigmom and Fujitora). Now he can get in because the fishman pirates did something to the seaslugs. And how does he know Luffy is there ? because he knows what Sanji marrying Pudding involves, and he knows Luffy's personality---> Luffy wouldn't abandon one of his friends.
    But now it's too late I guess
    Well, he still would want to catch Luffy, plus it would be risky for me to go into Big Mom's territory; unless he has an entire army like it was in the Marineford arc. Plus, again, by the Strawhats escaping, the Big Mom Pirates will still pursue them since from your suggestions if there was no cake then ---> Big Mom would die ----> Big Mom's crew will get revenge at the Strawhats, since they were the ones to destroy the cake in the first place.

    6/ They do something goofy, like passing the Sunny through a giant mirror lol
    That would be interesting to see, but from what we have seen; there is no water in the Mirror World.

    Also let's not forget about Zeff and Iva's lives being threatened. That's actually the reason why people believe the cake will turn Bigmom into an ally or something.
    I mean, at this point just give a cake to Kaido and Sakazuki. And Sanji ends the plot on his own. Ami right ? Also, a very good pie for Teach, and it should do it
    Um, what? Expect there was already a plan to take down Kaido for example. Also, he does not have a eating disorder like Big Mom does. The point of this arc was to save Sanji; and not kick Big Mom's ass. Hence why there was just a small number to go and rescue Sanji. Also, what is wrong in having Big Mom as an ally or be at peace after this arc?

    I feel like you are overthinking this whole cake thing. Not everything has to be solve with fighting; plus this is a very original and unique way for an arc to end, instead of the same old routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekila View Post
    Oh, I see. What series did Togashi do again? The name sounds familiar.
    HunterXHunter and Yu Yu Hakusho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Anyway, with how kaidou is the animal Kingdom or beast pirates leader, luffy getting the shadows of all minks to create beast nightmare luffy would be fitting to beat kaidou.
    Repeating the ending of Thriller Bark would be the worst repeat of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    HunterXHunter and Yu Yu Hakusho.
    Oh, okay. Thanks for the information! :)

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    I have already mentioned how Morgans will help Robin spread the knowledge about the secrets of the world, and he will be the author of the Adventures of a Brave Man of Sea. But what would be his role during the final war, and more importantly whom would be his enemy?

    Well, let's say that the events of the void century are about to repeat in the present and therefore the final war and its victor will dictate how history is written. Morgans' struggle would be to get the biggest scoop. How his captain Pirate King Monkey D. Luffy defeated Blackbeard and whatever ploy the World Government brings. He will have to run across the entire battlefield chasing his captain so he can document everything he does and tell how the events really unfolded. His enemy? Well you know him of course. Expose Absa, he has become Blackbeard's chronicler and will try to photo bomb each picture Morgans takes. He awakened his fruit and when things are about to get heated, he ~exposes~ his crew. Always with him, a director of photography, someone that will always ruins the scene, a camera operator and a den den mushi imaging technician (he does photoshop with den den mushis).

    How could Morgans ever overcome?!
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    My take has ben for a long time now that Shanks will try to prevent BB from reaching Raftel and that the discovery of One Piece by Luffy will coincide with the destruction of the Red Hair Pirates by Teach.

    Preferably, Shanks and Luffy will have met before. Elbaf, which was once suggested by Greg to be a "cooldown-arc" after Wano, would be a good space for that. Would also fulfill Luffy's promise to give the hat back after he's become a great pirate. What better moment for this than after defeating one of the Yonko? If Oda wants to go that route. Though Luffy will probably have his hat for the rest of the series, maybe except for the end.

    There's also the incident between Shanks and Kaido before Marineford. How was Shanks able to stop Kaido unharmed? My guess is that he made some kind of deal with him and that this may influence events at Wano.
    Doubt it, Luffy will not find the OP before clashing with BB.

    He clashed with Kaidou.

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    OP has to be found before the final war/battle with BB.

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