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    Should i expect some keikaku doori scene?

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    Idk, but everything with Historia has been really off to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizuchan View Post
    How Historia has been handled has been kind of terrible to me.

    Her whole thing was about breaking the cycle the Reiss family was prepetuating by defying her father, but now she goes and helps it along anyway?

    It makes no sense regarding her character arc and the themes/ideas of the story.

    It's not even important to the plot anymore. She could've just ran away and hid and the result would be the same as it is now.

    The only way for this to work and keep to Historia's arc is for the pregnancy to be a mislead.

    Add to that, Historia seemingly also knew about Eren's plan and seemingly did nothing to stop it.

    Again, unless there is something else going on entirely, this also makes no sense regarding Historia. She's not okay with genocide.

    Luckily I think there's a pretty big chance it's a mislead. It's been sort of unclear what's going on with her for quite a while.
    Historia’s baby = Ymir, from thousands of years ago

    Slave-girl Ymir, therefore is Eren’s daughter

    We’re in a time loop and her daddy set the pigs free

    When Eren hugged Ymir and “set her free,” her terrified expression came from the awareness that her hell will never end

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    this chapter was perfect, it has everything i wanted for the rumbling, really shows how much of a pathetic coward eren is.

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    Yup, like Hitler, saw the hell that was WW1 and puts every human possible into the same hell, if not worse.
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    TFW when you're so disappointed with the world you decide to genocide it.


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    Armin was always the true MC since Eren died in the first arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Gaimon View Post
    this chapter was perfect, it has everything i wanted for the rumbling, really shows how much of a pathetic coward eren is.
    Now that's a hot take, it would be nice to have an elaboration to better understand that line of thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeltrax225 View Post
    Now that's a hot take, it would be nice to have an elaboration to better understand that line of thinking
    he chose the easy path of full genocide, instead of trying to find another solution because he's too afraid of loosing his friends and his freedom.
    him crying and looking regretful in this chapter is like those war criminals who return home to write books and make movies about how massacring civilians made them feel sad. eren shouldn't be viewed as a victim when he's murdering billions of innocent people.

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    Some interesting points from r/manga
    Nah dog this chapter just further proves that Erens suffering from Predestination and realizes he can’t change the future he saw. He sees Ramsey getting beat up just like In his memories, at first chooses to act on it because that’s what he wants, then turns his back because he says it doesn’t matter as the kid will die anyways and it’s pathetic to try acting kind when he’s about to commit a horrible act later. But No later does it show in the end Eren ends up helping the kid anyways.Also Eren did hesitate, he at one point does agree with the First king in the walls suicide idea and how morally letting the eldians die out is the better thing to do, he just comes to the conclusion again that it’s not something he will just accept.
    Predestination is definitely haunting Eren and he did try looking for some other way (For 4 years in fact), it kinda brings it back around this chapter with after saving the Fez kid and bringing him back to the camp Mikasa shows up and it seemed clear to me Eren knew how the conversation would play out but was hoping it would be different, because if it was different then the future he saw wouldn’t be pre determined.


    It also recontextualizes his reaction to Sasha's death, he wasn't just crying due to a friend dying, he knew her death was coming and how she was gonna die and that made realize everything he saw is destined to happen.
    He asked. What were her last words. Laughed at the answer because he realized "yep... Just like in the vision"


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    if that's true and eren knows the entire future down to the tiny details that kinda ruins the entire story so i reject that theory on a meta-level. i think he only saw the "scenery" of the destruction caused by the rumbling and convinced himself that it's the only way.
    and he didn't really try to find another as he always kept refusing to cooperate with the others.

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    I think that is the most possible outcome, the Paths showed him the outcome of the rumbling and events as Sasha’s death only served to cement to himself that, that path was unavoidable.

    He resigned fighting for the better a choose a cheap way out.


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    I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
    Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
    Guy has little to no space to navigate.
    He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
    Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
    Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
    The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.

    Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
    He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
    Eren and co had no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeltrax225 View Post
    I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
    Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
    Guy has little to no space to navigate.
    He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
    Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
    Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
    The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.

    Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
    He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
    Eren and co had no choice.
    This is a good post and sums my own thoughts nicely as well. Eren's tale in whole series has been ultimately a tragedy. I disliked Eren at begin of series, but he grown up to me when series progressed, though he never was my favorite character his character growth was exceptional through the series, although ultimately he didn't grow up a saviour... but rather destroyer. I don't know if Eren would even had much choice since he was molded by all the events that was bestowed on him.

    I think best thing to happen to Eren is simply peace upon death. I simply cannot fathom any salvation for someone as utterly broken and shattered character as Eren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeltrax225 View Post
    I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
    Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
    Guy has little to no space to navigate.
    He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
    Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
    Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
    The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.

    Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
    He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
    Eren and co had no choice.
    i agree there isn't an ideal choice but there's clearly a wrong choice, and the other survey core members who are in the same situation as him see that. eren was offered an alternative riskier plan (the 50 year plan) but he didn't want to try it because it will sacrifice historia so he wasn't entirely without options.
    and what do you mean his country considering to kill themselves?

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    what a terrible video i want those 2 minutes of my life back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Gaimon View Post
    what do you mean his country considering to kill themselves?
    A country that can’t repopulate dies, so if they chose the sterilization route, then it would be suicide for the Eldians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kondo View Post
    A country that can’t repopulate dies, so if they chose the sterilization route, then it would be suicide for the Eldians.
    that's just zeke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Gaimon View Post
    that's just zeke
    And his entire faction, which happened to be the only other people who have a plan other than Eren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kondo View Post
    And his entire faction, which happened to be the only other people who have a plan other than Eren.
    most of zeke's faction didn't know his true intentions.
    and there's the very plausible 50 year plan suggested by kiyomi.

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